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<blockquote data-quote="Weathercock" data-source="post: 6748260" data-attributes="member: 6802523">Except they're not outclassed. Action Surge is one of the best abilities in the game and offers Fighter some incredible spike damage output (or utility, it's really all up to you), and you can use it once/twice every short rest. Generally speaking, that means you'll get to throw it out once every fight or two to huge effect, all in addition to their potent archetype features. On a single turn with an action surge, a level 5 variant human fighter with GWM can throw out around 48.5/76.0 (no advantage/advantage) damage against an AC 13 target in a single turn. That is some impressively huge damage. To reach similar numbers, a Paladin would have to blow most of his daily resources at that level, and a Frenzying Barbarian (with what is essentially a once per day, self crippling ability) needs 4 turns of constant attacking just to meet that (assuming the Fighter can get advantage, which is not hard to do in 5e, and would be the opportune time to use a surge anyway).You're severely underestimating the power that Action Surge offers. Any other class would kill to have something that potent (and it's not a terrible decision for many classes to drop two levels into Fighter just for this, even if it might mess up your progression). And things only become more potent as you level up, with Fighter having what could be considered the most optimal combination of consistency and nova potential in the game for a damage dealing class (in addition to the potential control/support options that Battlemaster/Eldritch Knight offer).</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Weathercock, post: 6748260, member: 6802523"] Except they're not outclassed. Action Surge is one of the best abilities in the game and offers Fighter some incredible spike damage output (or utility, it's really all up to you), and you can use it once/twice every short rest. Generally speaking, that means you'll get to throw it out once every fight or two to huge effect, all in addition to their potent archetype features. On a single turn with an action surge, a level 5 variant human fighter with GWM can throw out around 48.5/76.0 (no advantage/advantage) damage against an AC 13 target in a single turn. That is some impressively huge damage. To reach similar numbers, a Paladin would have to blow most of his [I]daily[/I] resources at that level, and a Frenzying Barbarian (with what is essentially a once per day, self crippling ability) needs 4 turns of constant attacking just to meet that (assuming the Fighter can get advantage, which is not hard to do in 5e, and would be the opportune time to use a surge anyway). You're severely underestimating the power that Action Surge offers. Any other class would kill to have something that potent (and it's not a terrible decision for many classes to drop two levels into Fighter just for this, even if it might mess up your progression). And things only become more potent as you level up, with Fighter having what could be considered the most optimal combination of consistency and nova potential in the game for a damage dealing class (in addition to the potential control/support options that Battlemaster/Eldritch Knight offer). [/QUOTE]

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