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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Sacrosanct" data-source="post: 7840935" data-attributes="member: 15700">Honestly, I’m not sure I agree with the premise of the argument.  That every class needs to have what other classes have. The entire argument is based on the fighter needing to have additional unique out of combat abilities. And that is a preference, not an objective truth. And as long as people don’t agree on that subjective point, there will never be agreement. So who cares if the fighter doesn’t have any extra unique out of combat abilities? Some, certainly. But not everyone. Or even the majority (we’ll  never know). So even if someone concedes that the fighter doesn’t have those extra unique features at level 1, that hardly proves they need it. Look, I get how some people feel the fighter is lacking. And I totally support their efforts in addressing that. I’ve even participated myself. But it’s a matter of opinion. Calling the game broken, the designers cowards, and people who don’t share your preferences as whiners and liars who should be ignored is unacceptable behavior to have an actual conversation. I also think it’s flawed to assume every class needs to be designed how you want. I certainly don’t expect WotC to design every class how I want. I prefer niche protection, so imagine the uproar if they did what I wanted?Look at it like this. If classes were cable TV packages, and there was a package that gave what people wanted even if it didn’t come out of the box day 1 with the Hallmark channel and every other package did, that doesn’t make the package broken. If you want to watch the hallmark channel, you still have a ton of extra options. Especially when said package gives you a free bonus if you stay for a month, to get any channel you want that no other package gives (two extra feats). Which could be the hallmark channel, or more sports channels you really like.</blockquote>

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