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<blockquote data-quote="Tony Vargas" data-source="post: 7841530" data-attributes="member: 996">Not better, not even unique, just different. For instance, either a Bard or a Rogue could use Expertise on a skill to shine in some exploration or social task.&nbsp; That there's /one/ other class can shine in a similar way doesn't invalidate it.&nbsp;&nbsp; OTOH, shining because of a feat or background, well, any/every other class could do that, in exactly the same way.Not if it's a fungible contribution, no.&nbsp; The fighter who's a Folk Hero trading on that so the old farmer will hide the party in his barn, is not a fighter doing something, it's a Folk Hero doing something.&nbsp; It's not relevant to the class, but to the Background.It's impossible to show that the fighter has anything going for it, as a class, out of combat? Case closed.Now, wouldn't it be nice if it did?&nbsp;There is a lot of innate flexibility in most classes, though it obviously peaks in the neo-Vancian casters, who change up their supernatural powers every morning. Feats are optional.&nbsp; The fighter has extra ASIs. Two of them, that lock in when you choose them, at 6th and 14th, respectively.&nbsp; That - two choice over 20 levels - is a tiny, tiny amount of flexibility.I'd expect spec-ops guy does a lot of sneaking around, spotting the enemy, and one-shot killing them.&nbsp; A Rogue(Assassin) sounds perfect.Bards, perhaps not ironically considering the Harpers in FR, would likely make the best D&amp;D spies.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Tony Vargas, post: 7841530, member: 996"] Not better, not even unique, just different. For instance, either a Bard or a Rogue could use Expertise on a skill to shine in some exploration or social task. That there's /one/ other class can shine in a similar way doesn't invalidate it. OTOH, shining because of a feat or background, well, any/every other class could do that, in exactly the same way. Not if it's a fungible contribution, no. The fighter who's a Folk Hero trading on that so the old farmer will hide the party in his barn, is not a fighter doing something, it's a Folk Hero doing something. It's not relevant to the class, but to the Background. It's impossible to show that the fighter has anything going for it, as a class, out of combat? Case closed. Now, wouldn't it be nice if it did? There is a lot of innate flexibility in most classes, though it obviously peaks in the neo-Vancian casters, who change up their supernatural powers every morning. Feats are optional. The fighter has extra ASIs. Two of them, that lock in when you choose them, at 6th and 14th, respectively. That - two choice over 20 levels - is a tiny, tiny amount of flexibility. I'd expect spec-ops guy does a lot of sneaking around, spotting the enemy, and one-shot killing them. A Rogue(Assassin) sounds perfect. Bards, perhaps not ironically considering the Harpers in FR, would likely make the best D&D spies. [/QUOTE]

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