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<blockquote data-quote="Tony Vargas" data-source="post: 7842508" data-attributes="member: 996">Technically that'd be inaccurate: the fighter does get two skills, and a couple of sub-class features - the Champion's 'Remarkable' Athlete and the BM's Student of War - and the EK can eventually pick non-combat spells.&nbsp; It'd be more accurate to say that the non-spell-casting fighter has less support for anything outside of combat of any other class, except perhaps the Barbarian.&nbsp; Though that'd still be incomplete, because you also have to consider how they'd tend to underperform daily-heavy classes, like full casters or Paladins, or even the afore-mentioned barbarian, in the course of shorter adventuring days, in combat, as well as out.But, quibbles aside, I assume I'm still meant to be &quot;people&quot; in this instance:&nbsp; So, yeah, I said &quot;trap option&quot; that's a fair label for an equally weighted-choice that's likely to underperform, but has qualities that make it /look/ better than it is. I could've quoted Cook and said &quot;Timmeh Card&quot; but, hey, this is a D&amp;D forum.&nbsp; <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink&nbsp; &nbsp; ;)"&nbsp; data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />&nbsp;First &quot;sucker&quot; now &quot;newb?&quot; Is it really that hard for you to show a modicum of respect?I obviously, disagree:&nbsp; Obviously, all classes should be balanced, and the fighter isn't alone in breaking low, but /especially/ classes that have particular aesthetic appeal in their concepts need to be robustly balanced.&nbsp; Because they /are/ going to get played, regardless.I'm sorry, but all you have done is deny facts and toss insults, which distracts from anyone making positive suggestions, because we're busy defending ourselves from your incessant straw-man attacks, insults, and fallacies.&nbsp; If you don't think the fighter 'needs' improving, you have nothing to contribute, right?&nbsp; No skin in the game?&nbsp; Why are yo so vehement in your denials?&nbsp; Are you honestly afraid the game would be broken if the fighter got a few more perks?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Tony Vargas, post: 7842508, member: 996"] Technically that'd be inaccurate: the fighter does get two skills, and a couple of sub-class features - the Champion's 'Remarkable' Athlete and the BM's Student of War - and the EK can eventually pick non-combat spells. It'd be more accurate to say that the non-spell-casting fighter has less support for anything outside of combat of any other class, except perhaps the Barbarian. Though that'd still be incomplete, because you also have to consider how they'd tend to underperform daily-heavy classes, like full casters or Paladins, or even the afore-mentioned barbarian, in the course of shorter adventuring days, [I]in combat[/I], as well as out. But, quibbles aside, I assume I'm still meant to be "people" in this instance: So, yeah, I said "trap option" that's a fair label for an equally weighted-choice that's likely to underperform, but has qualities that make it /look/ better than it is. I could've quoted Cook and said "Timmeh Card" but, hey, this is a D&D forum. ;) First "sucker" now "newb?" Is it really that hard for you to show a modicum of respect? I obviously, disagree: Obviously, all classes should be balanced, and the fighter isn't alone in breaking low, but /especially/ classes that have particular aesthetic appeal in their concepts need to be robustly balanced. Because they /are/ going to get played, regardless. I'm sorry, but all you have done is deny facts and toss insults, which distracts from anyone making positive suggestions, because we're busy defending ourselves from your incessant straw-man attacks, insults, and fallacies. If you don't think the fighter 'needs' improving, you have nothing to contribute, right? No skin in the game? Why are yo so vehement in your denials? Are you honestly afraid the game would be broken if the fighter got a few more perks? [/QUOTE]

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