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<blockquote data-quote="Tony Vargas" data-source="post: 7846205" data-attributes="member: 996">B-b-b-b-But!&nbsp; Backgrounds!Well, sure, if Social or Exploration had just been off-loaded from class to Background, that'd be a point.&nbsp; It might've been a pretty solid design choice, actually, to have character built in three parts, A Class defining combat-pillar ability, an Origin (Race &amp; social-class) defining status/contribution in the Interaction Pillar, and, a Background/Profession or Theme or something for Exploration.&nbsp; Heck, you'd hardly need Rangers or Barbarians or Paladins in such a paradigm.&nbsp;Doesn't matter which populace you're fallaciously appealing to.&nbsp; Just illustrating the point with a painfully obvious example. &nbsp;Balancing the classes was no simple undertaking, and, there was a tremendous backlash against it, known as the edition war.&nbsp; We have to accept that the fighter must be inferior over a range of play, because a sufficiently strident &amp; determined fraction of the fanbase uncompromisingly demands it. The hope, at this point, is to make the range of play in which the fighter might occasionally contribute in a balanced way more practical to achieve. Prodigy would probably be a better idea.&nbsp; But, it's not like the issue is entirely insoluble, just that there is a great deal of resistance to solving - or even acknowledging - it.&nbsp;In a no-death-spiral, hit-point system, it's the only thing - it's like winning, that way.&nbsp; <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink&nbsp; &nbsp; ;)"&nbsp; data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /> Seriously, though, there is a lot to be done in combat beyond DPR.&nbsp; But, fighters, rogues &amp; barbarians, mainly contribute through single-target DPR.&nbsp;&nbsp; Healing, condition-mitigation, multi-target DPR, buffing/de-buffing, control, battlefield manipulation, summoning, etc, are the combat-pillar provinces of other classes.Sure, and Rogues have better mobility, Cunning Action, Uncanny Dodge, and Evasion.Fighters, Rogues - all classes really - are different in combat, but all are fairly high-contributing, one way or another (or, even several others, depending on the spells you have prepped that day).&nbsp; Non-magic-using sub-classes, though, are all mainly single-target DPR, be it tanky like the Fighter &amp; Barbarian or sneaky, like the Rogue.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Tony Vargas, post: 7846205, member: 996"] B-b-b-b-But! Backgrounds! Well, sure, if Social or Exploration had just been off-loaded from class to Background, that'd be a point. It might've been a pretty solid design choice, actually, to have character built in three parts, A Class defining combat-pillar ability, an Origin (Race & social-class) defining status/contribution in the Interaction Pillar, and, a Background/Profession or Theme or something for Exploration. Heck, you'd hardly need Rangers or Barbarians or Paladins in such a paradigm. Doesn't matter which populace you're fallaciously appealing to. Just illustrating the point with a painfully obvious example. Balancing the classes was no simple undertaking, and, there was a tremendous backlash against it, known as the edition war. We have to accept that the fighter [I]must[/I] be inferior over a range of play, because a sufficiently strident & determined fraction of the fanbase uncompromisingly demands it. The hope, at this point, is to make the range of play in which the fighter might occasionally contribute in a balanced way more practical to achieve. Prodigy would probably be a better idea. But, it's not like the issue is entirely insoluble, just that there is a great deal of resistance to solving - or even acknowledging - it. In a no-death-spiral, hit-point system, it's the only thing - it's like winning, that way. ;) Seriously, though, there [I]is[/I] a lot to be done in combat beyond DPR. But, fighters, rogues & barbarians, mainly contribute through single-target DPR. Healing, condition-mitigation, multi-target DPR, buffing/de-buffing, control, battlefield manipulation, summoning, etc, are the combat-pillar provinces of other classes. Sure, and Rogues have better mobility, Cunning Action, Uncanny Dodge, and Evasion. Fighters, Rogues - all classes really - are [I]different[/I] in combat, but all are fairly high-contributing, one way or another (or, even several others, depending on the spells you have prepped that day). Non-magic-using sub-classes, though, are all mainly single-target DPR, be it tanky like the Fighter & Barbarian or sneaky, like the Rogue. [/QUOTE]

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