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<blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 7849288" data-attributes="member: 18"><p>Sure, but they often weren't the spells the players actually wanted. And after a few spellbooks, about 80-90% of them tended to be duplicates. The first time you found the spell book of say, a 9th level Wizard you'd killed (at like, maybe level or 5 or 6 probably), it was amazing. Suddenly you had a bazillion new spells. But then you noticed most of them were rubbish!</p><p></p><p>Also in 2E, someone correct me if I'm wrong, but certainly most people seemed to <em>believe</em> you could only memorize each spell once. So you couldn't have like, 3x fireball even if you could memorize three 3rd-level spells, you had to have Fireball, Lightning Bolt and er... some other 3rd-level spell, or whatever. I don't know whether this was correct rules-following, but it was true of the NPC Wizards in every 2E adventure I read (and all the 1E ones I can think of), and that was not the case in 3E for sure. Whereas a 3.XE Wizard can just memorize multiple copies of his best spells if that suits him. He can also use metamagic to use higher-level spell slots to cast lower-level but more useful spells more powerfully. All this created huge power creep for 3E Wizards.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Yeah I think it depends on a lot of factors. If you didn't play solidly for a decade (like week-in, week-out) like we did, or your DM used mostly random treasure (like I did) but you got unlucky with the RNG, or if your DM never used pre-gen adventures (which had a peculiar fascination with certain magic items - including aforementioned gauntlets - which appeared in bunches of 1E and 2E adventures).</p><p></p><p>It was definitely weird to go to 3E and suddenly see magic items you were in awe of basically be seen as "Minimal Viable Product" by the game system, though.</p><p></p><p>And yes Speciality Priests were EASILY the best D&D has ever done with Cleric-type classes. Nothing has come remotely close since, in any edition. 5E Clerics are powerful, but most of them are pretty flavourless next to 2E SPs.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ruin Explorer, post: 7849288, member: 18"] Sure, but they often weren't the spells the players actually wanted. And after a few spellbooks, about 80-90% of them tended to be duplicates. The first time you found the spell book of say, a 9th level Wizard you'd killed (at like, maybe level or 5 or 6 probably), it was amazing. Suddenly you had a bazillion new spells. But then you noticed most of them were rubbish! Also in 2E, someone correct me if I'm wrong, but certainly most people seemed to [I]believe[/I] you could only memorize each spell once. So you couldn't have like, 3x fireball even if you could memorize three 3rd-level spells, you had to have Fireball, Lightning Bolt and er... some other 3rd-level spell, or whatever. I don't know whether this was correct rules-following, but it was true of the NPC Wizards in every 2E adventure I read (and all the 1E ones I can think of), and that was not the case in 3E for sure. Whereas a 3.XE Wizard can just memorize multiple copies of his best spells if that suits him. He can also use metamagic to use higher-level spell slots to cast lower-level but more useful spells more powerfully. All this created huge power creep for 3E Wizards. Yeah I think it depends on a lot of factors. If you didn't play solidly for a decade (like week-in, week-out) like we did, or your DM used mostly random treasure (like I did) but you got unlucky with the RNG, or if your DM never used pre-gen adventures (which had a peculiar fascination with certain magic items - including aforementioned gauntlets - which appeared in bunches of 1E and 2E adventures). It was definitely weird to go to 3E and suddenly see magic items you were in awe of basically be seen as "Minimal Viable Product" by the game system, though. And yes Speciality Priests were EASILY the best D&D has ever done with Cleric-type classes. Nothing has come remotely close since, in any edition. 5E Clerics are powerful, but most of them are pretty flavourless next to 2E SPs. [/QUOTE]
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