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Message: <blockquote data-quote="JamesonCourage" data-source="post: 6068745" data-attributes="member: 6668292">Right, which the OP basically said a couple pages back. That's how he's using the term, it seems. And <a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/showthread.php?333362-Fixing-the-Fighter/page14&p=6068573&viewfull=1#post6068573" target="_blank">in post 136</a> you said "I beg your pardon. I guess I wasn't as thorough as I thought. I was trying to pin down Obryn's use of the term with respect to the thread that he had created (and my understanding of it)." I think we have that pegged down, decently, from <a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/showthread.php?333362-Fixing-the-Fighter/page15&p=6068621&viewfull=1#post6068621" target="_blank">post 146</a>, where Obryn explicitly says "So more or less, the big differences are (1) that the player is in almost complete control (barring dice rolls) of what the outcome will be, and that he knows his capabilities ahead of time; and (2) the default result is that what the player has declared will happen (again, barring dice rolls)."This seems to include casting a single target attack spell, rolling to hit, and doing damage.Right. I think that it's much clearer to use the term "Metagame Resource" than it is to use "Fiat" in this thread, especially as Obryn has outlined it.Again, please don't say things like this. We're not supposed to assign motives, call people out on reading comprehension, or the like.Oh, no, the disdain certainly is. There's hostility on a lot of different fronts. I'm not intellectually dishonest enough to deny these things. Again, though, if don't want other people to phrase thing in a way that "serves no purpose but to mock and make caricature of something we don't like", then my advice is to not do it yourself.Not of age? Not old, you mean? <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> But yes, I'm 27, so I'm between young and old, I think. And yes, I started with 3.0, but my father played 1e, and I had been aware of the game while growing up.Oh, I'm surprised you're baffled. I suggested you not engage in something that seems hypocritical. I'm not denying it's there; I agreed with Obryn about the futility of engaging productively with certain posters, even if I don't share the same play style he does. And, I agree with you here about why many people rejected 4e, much of it connected to metagame resources.My point was that you're engaging in the same type of rhetoric that isn't helpful. And I suggested it stop. Do I think 5e needs to distance itself from metagame resources to regain a type of player? Probably. But I don't think it needs to happen verbally, or declaring the metagame abilities as "heresy" and those who like it "witches to be burned." They'd just need to leave those abilities out. It's the rhetoric I question.Yeah. I still think it's less offensive than portraying things the way you did, but I think you're okay to call someone on it. I was just saying that if you don't like that kind of rhetoric, than you shouldn't use it yourself.I don't know if you missed it, but I didn't say that people don't oppose metagame resource mechanics, and voice it. Often aggressively. I was just pointing out how you engaged things yourself. Perhaps a closer track of my posting history in the threads to come will make my posts make more sense. We'll see. As always, play what you like <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />I think you're right (which you know from my XP comment, but since that's not public yet, I'm quoting you as well). As always, play what you like <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></blockquote>

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