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<blockquote data-quote="Manbearcat" data-source="post: 6069089" data-attributes="member: 6696971">- A quarterback/running back tandem performs a play-action fake causing the linebackers to crash the line of scrimmage, abandoning deep middle coverage.- A quarterback stares down the right side of the field drawing the safety 10 steps in that direction; outside of the hash-mark.&nbsp; When the safety vacates the seam, the quarterback hits the tight end running down it.- A running back jukes right, plants his foot and cuts back left, leaving a tackler in his wake, scrambling for nothing but air.- A pitcher throws an 84 mile per hour change-up with the exact same motion and armspeed in which he just threw a 94 mph fastball by a hitter.&nbsp; The hitter is foolishly out in front on the change-up, swinging and missing and screwing himself into the ground.&nbsp; - A basketball player in the post performs an up-fake, causing the defender to leave his feet.&nbsp; He then pivots past the defender, stepping through and scoring an uncontested layup.- A hockey forward behind the net, in the peripheral vision of the goalie, skates hard right, drawing the goalie to that post.&nbsp; He spins, stick-handling the puck to the opposite side of the net for a wraparound score.Ok.&nbsp; Clearly none of them are magic or mind control.&nbsp; We can all agree on that, yes?In 5e terms, all of these would probably involve a Wisdom or Intelligence Saving Throw, yes?&nbsp; Ok, question(s) then:Which (if any) of these would involve a force of personality/sense of self (Charisma) attack?&nbsp; Which (if any) of these would involve a physical attack (Strength of Dexterity)?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Manbearcat, post: 6069089, member: 6696971"] - A quarterback/running back tandem performs a play-action fake causing the linebackers to crash the line of scrimmage, abandoning deep middle coverage. - A quarterback stares down the right side of the field drawing the safety 10 steps in that direction; outside of the hash-mark. When the safety vacates the seam, the quarterback hits the tight end running down it. - A running back jukes right, plants his foot and cuts back left, leaving a tackler in his wake, scrambling for nothing but air. - A pitcher throws an 84 mile per hour change-up with the exact same motion and armspeed in which he just threw a 94 mph fastball by a hitter. The hitter is foolishly out in front on the change-up, swinging and missing and screwing himself into the ground. - A basketball player in the post performs an up-fake, causing the defender to leave his feet. He then pivots past the defender, stepping through and scoring an uncontested layup. - A hockey forward behind the net, in the peripheral vision of the goalie, skates hard right, drawing the goalie to that post. He spins, stick-handling the puck to the opposite side of the net for a wraparound score. Ok. Clearly none of them are magic or mind control. We can all agree on that, yes? In 5e terms, all of these would probably involve a Wisdom or Intelligence Saving Throw, yes? Ok, question(s) then: Which (if any) of these would involve a force of personality/sense of self (Charisma) attack? Which (if any) of these would involve a physical attack (Strength of Dexterity)? [/QUOTE]

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