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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Remathilis" data-source="post: 6069564" data-attributes="member: 7635">Because the rules effect the RESOLUTION of the action, not the action itself. A fighter could whack at goblins all day and have the same chance of hitting everyone (based on the d20 roll) and all an action point does is improve those odds. I got no problem with that. You seriously clear out every dungeon in a single day? You've never rested and went back? Never had a multiday journey with random encounters? Really?I mean, I heard some bad things about 4e adventure design, but REALLY?I want an in-game reason why that fighter can staggering blow only once per day. I get a bunch of half-answers (the stars aligned, the orc just happened to drop his guard, the fighter got too tired to do it again, etc). 4e can't give me that answer and that drags me out of the game because I can see the artificiality of it again. I see the chess pieces on the board and the arbitrary decisions made in the name of balance. Magic at least has a consistent answer; magic fires and then forgets. Martial powers has no inherent consistent answer and it ruins my immersion. That's the problem; 4e reminds me at every pass that I'm playing a game and not interacting with the story. It tells me "these guys are minions, so they use different rules. Just go with it." It tells me "You have to have a healing surge to drink a potion. Just go with it." It tells me "Fighters can summon enemies over for a good whacking and they obey because they're weak-willed. Just go with it." Its constantly reminding me of its metagame contructions, and that drags me out from being Remathilis the elven rogue and replaces me into Ian, player of an elf rogue named Remathilis. See above. Fate/Luck/Skill/Deific Mojo/Badassdom points change the dice rolls, which is already a metagame contruction which is resolving a major area of concern: Can I do X? We accept some level of meta rules are needed to actually play the game, which is why its impossible to assign yourself ability scores. But these are the invisible rules. A fighter when he swings his sword isn't taking into account his level, strength, magical plus, and feats, but we (as players) do. When a fighter has to decide "Do I use my Sweeping Strike now or save it?" He's making a choice that should reflect his own thinking. In the end, you can argue why metagame like level, hp, AC, alignment, saves, ability scores, and thac0 are acceptable but martial dailies, action points, forced movement and healing surges are not. I respond that its a spectrum that has always swung back and forth (a quick search of this site will yield dozens of examples of people arguing against alignment or hit points, even XP and classes). There is no answer for this. My threshold is different than yours. (And not completely as black/white as this debate appears, I LIKE healing HD and Expertise Dice despite their meta concepts and detest "realistic" critical hit charts). I find martial dailies poorly executed and narrative breaking. I hope they stay gone. But I'm not against some form of system that merges "at will" powers with maneuvers or exploits.</blockquote>

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