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<blockquote data-quote="Neonchameleon" data-source="post: 6069787" data-attributes="member: 87792">I guess that's a difference in the level we visualise the world at.You keep using that word.&nbsp; I do not think it means what you think it means.&nbsp;Are actually a whole lot less abstract than hit points were in the first place.Is a design decision.&nbsp; They should IMO have had half a page on the meaning of &quot;Extended rest&quot; and setting that dial.&nbsp; Not abstract.&nbsp; Possibly a bad design decision (I maintain that overnight magic recovery was a bad design decision in the first place).&nbsp;This you can have.&nbsp; It's a lot better than no moments of awesome but is abstract.AC is very abstract anyway.Not even slightly abstract.&nbsp; A change, yes.&nbsp; Abstract, no.You can have those two.Because describing how a monster behaves in a fight is now abstract?Again, you keep using that word.There are a couple of abstract parts in 4e, but we're looking at the system as a whole.&nbsp; And I maintain my claim that 1 minute combat rounds are incredibly abstract.&nbsp; And unrealistic for most fights.&nbsp; And 3.X's &quot;You can do everything you can do with a sword all the time (fatigue and opportunity be damned)&quot; is more abstract than 4e.For every power?&nbsp; How big do you want the PHB to be?&nbsp; The size of an old New York phonebook?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Neonchameleon, post: 6069787, member: 87792"] I guess that's a difference in the level we visualise the world at. You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means. Are actually a whole lot less abstract than hit points were in the first place. Is a design decision. They should IMO have had half a page on the meaning of "Extended rest" and setting that dial. Not abstract. Possibly a bad design decision (I maintain that overnight magic recovery was a bad design decision in the first place). This you can have. It's a lot better than no moments of awesome but is abstract. AC is very abstract anyway. Not even [I]slightly[/I] abstract. A change, yes. Abstract, no. You can have those two. Because describing how a monster behaves in a fight is now abstract? Again, you keep using that word. There are a couple of abstract parts in 4e, but we're looking at the system as a whole. And I maintain my claim that 1 minute combat rounds are [I]incredibly[/I] abstract. And unrealistic for most fights. And 3.X's "You can do everything you can do with a sword all the time (fatigue and opportunity be damned)" is more abstract than 4e. For every power? How big do you want the PHB to be? The size of an old New York phonebook? [/QUOTE]

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