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Message: <blockquote data-quote="tetrasodium" data-source="post: 9838971" data-attributes="member: 93670">IMO the real problem is that 5e broke too many ofthe "god wizard" type buff/debuff & control spells or nullified their function (ie bulls strength/cats grace/etc).  Some of them still exist like the ones I mentioned, but their functionality was broken and the party no longer actually needs or benefits enough overall effectiveness from them to make it so nobody cares that Bob will probably miss with a crossbow/sling.  Other spells like web solid fog and the various control/debuff spells still technically exist and are functional, but they are both too effective and too unimportant (ie web went from 5foot steps to speed zero or totally ignored.  Others like solid fog are just gone. Add to that the shift from "oh wait yeaci have acid splash prepared as a cantrip in case we see trolls like this" to unlimited powerful reliable at will cantrips and it's a bit of a mess with any non dpelr builds being mostly nostalgia</blockquote>