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<blockquote data-quote="tetrasodium" data-source="post: 8071394" data-attributes="member: 93670">&quot;It prevents a problem&quot; doesn't change the fact that it's a half baked &amp; massively overused implimentation that causes an equally significant problem for casters.&nbsp; As to your bullet points, mechanically there is nothing splitting those three as a caster from either your description or really watching them cast except charisma is a massively more useful stat than intelligence in 5e &amp; both of those charisma based classes are loaded with powerful class specific abilities in addition to being just about as good at being a primary spellcaster as a wizard. That part of your post I bolded actually gives weight to why&nbsp; they need to stop being pretend wizards and embrace whatever the hell they are so wizard can go back to being a bookish intelligence caster instead of pretty much just like a sorcerer except bad in social situations &amp; lacking a bunch of maningful class/archetype abilities.As to warlocks being &quot;popular&quot;, you'll get no disagreement there but just like sorcerer they are too good at pretending to be a wizard when a fight starts &amp; changing that so they are their own thing is easy when you narrow the ven diagram overlap first [USER=7025876]@Phoebasss[/USER] that can't be done without first more clearly&nbsp; moving them into their own designspace &amp; because the base class is desperately trying to be a wizard so all three can move on as their own thing</blockquote>

[QUOTE="tetrasodium, post: 8071394, member: 93670"] "It prevents a problem" doesn't change the fact that it's a half baked & massively overused implimentation that causes an equally significant problem for casters. As to your bullet points, mechanically there is nothing splitting those three as a caster from either your description or really watching them cast except charisma is a massively more useful stat than intelligence in 5e & both of those charisma based classes are loaded with powerful class specific abilities in addition to being just about as good at being a primary spellcaster as a wizard. That part of your post I bolded actually gives weight to why they need to stop being pretend wizards and embrace whatever the hell they are so wizard can go back to being a bookish intelligence caster instead of pretty much just like a sorcerer except bad in social situations & lacking a bunch of maningful class/archetype abilities. As to warlocks being "popular", you'll get no disagreement there but just like sorcerer they are too good at pretending to be a wizard when a fight starts & changing that so they are their own thing is easy when you narrow the ven diagram overlap first [USER=7025876]@Phoebasss[/USER] that can't be done without first more clearly moving them into their own designspace & because the base class is desperately trying to be a wizard so all three can move on as their own thing [/QUOTE]

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