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<blockquote data-quote="TheSword" data-source="post: 8072619" data-attributes="member: 6879661">I think you have somewhat missed the point. The win button is the 3e/pathfinder opportunity to spend 5 rounds buffing and per-casting spells in order to make the coming fight a cake-walk. Usually followed by a rest. Yawn.It’s ironic that you call my support for the mechanism as quixotic when Concentration is a very real and present part of the game and part of the game right now. Concentration isn’t going anywhere, so dreaming it would disappear is probably more quixotic. It’s a great word though. It reminds me of the novel Zaragoz.Rogues can stab one person per round (more with serious contortion) it’s also their major class feature and they have other severe limitations. You’re suggesting flaming sphere needs a boost because rogues are so good? Flaming sphere affects multiple foes every round and is one of many many spells a wizard can cast. Melfs Meteors is a fair use of a bonus action and at least as good as an off hand attack attacking up 4 people for 4d6 damage.Bigbys hand is great fun, flexible, characterful and you can still cast other spells at the same time. One of my favourite spells.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="TheSword, post: 8072619, member: 6879661"] I think you have somewhat missed the point. The win button is the 3e/pathfinder opportunity to spend 5 rounds buffing and per-casting spells in order to make the coming fight a cake-walk. Usually followed by a rest. Yawn. It’s ironic that you call my support for the mechanism as quixotic when Concentration is a very real and present part of the game and part of the game right now. Concentration isn’t going anywhere, so dreaming it would disappear is probably more quixotic. It’s a great word though. It reminds me of the novel Zaragoz. Rogues can stab one person per round (more with serious contortion) it’s also their major class feature and they have other severe limitations. You’re suggesting flaming sphere needs a boost because rogues are so good? Flaming sphere affects multiple foes every round and is one of many many spells a wizard can cast. Melfs Meteors is a fair use of a bonus action and at least as good as an off hand attack attacking up 4 people for 4d6 damage. Bigbys hand is great fun, flexible, characterful and you can still cast other spells at the same time. One of my favourite spells. [/QUOTE]

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