Reply to thread

Message: <blockquote data-quote="dontpunkme" data-source="post: 4792901" data-attributes="member: 17938">Yeah, I can see how attack roll can get out of hand especially with magic items and feats.  Fortunately, my next campaign will probably be in a world where magic items generally are extremely rare.  I want to make it so a rogue could tumble past a fighter of equal level on a decent roll, but that the rogue still has some chance of failure.  I'm not sure if I like the opposed tumble check as the only option, seems to cripple fighters who rarely have the skill ranks to invest in any cross-class skill, let alone anything but spot/listen.Using BAB, I'm not sure if 10+BAB or 15+BAB is more appropriate.  A quick look at math.Assuming no magic items I'm going to assume a 1st level rogue would have Dex 16, a 10th level would have Dex 18, and a 20th level would have Dex 20 only because it seems appropriate.Assuming max ranks in tumble, the skill modifiers would be:Level 1: Tumble 7Level 5: Tumble 12Level 10: Tumble 18Level 15: Tumble 23Level 20: Tumble 29Using BAB+10 for a fighter yields:Level 1: DC 11Level 5: DC 15Level 10: DC 20Level 15: DC 25Level 20: DC 30Decently balanced in favor of the rogue, but still the rogue needs to roll really poorly in order for the fighter to have a shot.Using BAB+15 for a fighter yields:Level 1: DC 16Level 5: DC 20Level 10: DC 25Level 15: DC 30Level 20: DC 35The rogue still needs to roll low in order to fail, but his chances of success are much lower.Now this doesn't take into account a rogue with tumble as a skill focus, however, a rogue shouldn't have to burn a feat to be an effective tumbler.Because this would effectively screw rogues and other non-BAB focused classes, I would probably allow people will tumble trained to use their tumble bonus in lieu of BAB.I like the idea of bonuses applied for smaller size (although I would probably make it a flat +4 regardless of size differences, that is it wouldn't be cumulative for every size category in difference).  I also like combat reflexes and mobility giving bonuses to the check.  I would probably also allow the rogue to apply his dodge bonus to a specific enemy as a bonus.  Another possible idea is d20+BAB for the defender as the DC.  My major concern here is I hate to add extra rolls as it only slows down combat in my experience (which let's face it, can already be painfully slow in 3.5).</blockquote>

Verification