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<blockquote data-quote="Henadic Theologian" data-source="post: 8426008" data-attributes="member: 7030526">Correction, the Gods of D&amp;D ARE those cosmic forces, personified. It's why I said the difference between Gods of D&amp;D and cosmic forces is an Illusion, separated only by consciousness.&nbsp;See in most setting, but most specifically FR (and maybe Planescape) The Gods are a conceptual hybrid between ultra powerful Platonic Logoi (may have misspelled that) and Occult Ergore Thoughtforms, and occasional mortals who have experience apotheosis which creates a strange tension in what the Gods of D&amp;D actually are and why they manifest so differently in different setting. Compare this to Theros where they are straight up Uber powerful Ergore Thoughtforms, but not truly cosmic forces (arguablely Theros World Soul, Nyx, and Underworld are higher unpersonified divinities that aren't completely dependant for their existence on the mortals of Theros, but still shaped by their beliefs ).&nbsp;Also note that the Sun provides the power for photosynthesis to occur in plants, but unlike plants the Sun itself can't conduct photosynthesis itself, even though it provides the power to plants for that purpose.&nbsp;Gravity provides the negative energy that I need to jump without floating away, that doesn't mean gravity can itself jump.&nbsp;Both personified as deities really doesn't change that, just how folks relate to them.&nbsp;Plus I'd house rule all D&amp;D Gods can cast wish at will without the possiblity of losing their ability to cast wish, as a kind of universal Lair action (with the multuverse counting as their Lair for this effect).</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Henadic Theologian, post: 8426008, member: 7030526"] Correction, the Gods of D&D ARE those cosmic forces, personified. It's why I said the difference between Gods of D&D and cosmic forces is an Illusion, separated only by consciousness. See in most setting, but most specifically FR (and maybe Planescape) The Gods are a conceptual hybrid between ultra powerful Platonic Logoi (may have misspelled that) and Occult Ergore Thoughtforms, and occasional mortals who have experience apotheosis which creates a strange tension in what the Gods of D&D actually are and why they manifest so differently in different setting. Compare this to Theros where they are straight up Uber powerful Ergore Thoughtforms, but not truly cosmic forces (arguablely Theros World Soul, Nyx, and Underworld are higher unpersonified divinities that aren't completely dependant for their existence on the mortals of Theros, but still shaped by their beliefs ). Also note that the Sun provides the power for photosynthesis to occur in plants, but unlike plants the Sun itself can't conduct photosynthesis itself, even though it provides the power to plants for that purpose. Gravity provides the negative energy that I need to jump without floating away, that doesn't mean gravity can itself jump. Both personified as deities really doesn't change that, just how folks relate to them. Plus I'd house rule all D&D Gods can cast wish at will without the possiblity of losing their ability to cast wish, as a kind of universal Lair action (with the multuverse counting as their Lair for this effect). [/QUOTE]

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