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<blockquote data-quote="EzekielRaiden" data-source="post: 9088867" data-attributes="member: 6790260">I just...I don't see how that isn't describing the in the moment thing. All experiences we have change us. That's literally what experience does. &quot;Every now and then a man’s mind is stretched by a new idea or sensation, and never shrinks back to its former dimensions.&quot; (Oliver Wendell Holmes, Sr.)Certainly; my issue is not that they are incompatible, it is that I suspect your goal will never get the advocates in needs and the community support to grow past the situation that frustrates you, where sim is seen as a means to an end and not an end in itself.As said, less &quot;test&quot; and more...foundation. Thoughts are hard to kill by yourself, but they're also hard to cultivate by yourself. Communities are where both tasks happen. &quot;Story Now&quot; and the major change it brought on TTRPGing could only really happen because there were dedicated communities, who were brought together by how share-able the experience was. If a style has no share-able elements, I'm not sure it will ever get out of the kind of shadow Clearstream sees cast upon it:As for the &quot;write a campaign setting,&quot; that just seems to fuel the argument that sim isn't &quot;on an equal footing with nar and gam.&quot; If its main purpose (other than &quot;because it's enjoyable&quot;) is as an enabler for other things, it's not hard to leap from that to claiming that it's just prep work.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="EzekielRaiden, post: 9088867, member: 6790260"] I just...I don't see how that isn't describing the in the moment thing. All experiences we have change us. That's literally what experience [I]does[/I]. "Every now and then a man’s mind is stretched by a new idea or sensation, and never shrinks back to its former dimensions." (Oliver Wendell Holmes, Sr.) Certainly; my issue is not that they are incompatible, it is that I suspect your goal will never get the advocates in needs and the community support to grow past the situation that frustrates you, where sim is seen as a means to an end and not an end in itself. As said, less "test" and more...foundation. Thoughts are hard to kill by yourself, but they're also hard to [I]cultivate[/I] by yourself. Communities are where both tasks happen. "Story Now" and the major change it brought on TTRPGing could only really happen because there were dedicated communities, who were brought together by how share-able the experience was. If a style has no share-able elements, I'm not sure it will ever get out of the kind of shadow Clearstream sees cast upon it: As for the "write a campaign setting," that just seems to fuel the argument that sim isn't "on an equal footing with nar and gam." If its main purpose (other than "because it's enjoyable") is as an enabler for other things, it's not hard to leap from that to claiming that it's just prep work. [/QUOTE]

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