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<blockquote data-quote="Scion" data-source="post: 1840463" data-attributes="member: 5777">It really does seem to come down to intent in most cases. With the summon monster problem melfs acid arrow pretty much falls under the same category, it is summoning something that just so happens to be used to hurt something else.What if you dont know your buddy is undead? You are invisible, see he is in need of some healing, pop a heal on him. Uh oh, you just hurt him badly, maybe even killed him. But, you didnt know it was going to hurt him, you thought it was beneficial.What if you have another buddy who gets better, faster, stronger, etc as his total hp go down, but of course you dont realize it. He is down by half and you heal him up, since this is 'hampering' the subject it seems to qualify as an attack and you are now visible.Of course, all of those are silly to some degree. I would just prefer it to be nicely cut and dried without all of the ambiguity in the various statements. Maybe someday... <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink&nbsp; &nbsp; ;)"&nbsp; data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /> Currently though it seems to be mostly about intent and somewhat about final effect. Rather like alignment actually.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Scion, post: 1840463, member: 5777"] It really does seem to come down to intent in most cases. With the summon monster problem melfs acid arrow pretty much falls under the same category, it is summoning something that just so happens to be used to hurt something else. What if you dont know your buddy is undead? You are invisible, see he is in need of some healing, pop a heal on him. Uh oh, you just hurt him badly, maybe even killed him. But, you didnt know it was going to hurt him, you thought it was beneficial. What if you have another buddy who gets better, faster, stronger, etc as his total hp go down, but of course you dont realize it. He is down by half and you heal him up, since this is 'hampering' the subject it seems to qualify as an attack and you are now visible. Of course, all of those are silly to some degree. I would just prefer it to be nicely cut and dried without all of the ambiguity in the various statements. Maybe someday... ;) Currently though it seems to be mostly about intent and somewhat about final effect. Rather like alignment actually. [/QUOTE]

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