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<blockquote data-quote="Hypersmurf" data-source="post: 1842374" data-attributes="member: 1656">I don't see how that's different to casting Mass Cure Light Wounds including an undead creature as a target (deals damage, and is thus an attack), versus casting the same spell on your allies (doesn't deal damage, and is thus not an attack).Casting fireball on an area that includes a goblin?&nbsp; That's an attack.&nbsp; Casting fireball on an area that only includes your healed-by-fire creature?&nbsp; Not an attack.Per the text that describes what the term &quot;attack&quot; means when used by a spell where the word is important, that uses invisibility as its example!Invisibility doesn't end exclusively contingent upon an &quot;offensive combat action&quot;.&nbsp; It ends if the subject &quot;attacks any creature&quot;.We have a definition of what &quot;attack&quot; means.Offensive combat actions are considered attacks.&nbsp; But that's not the end of the definition.Attempts to turn or rebuke undead are considered attacks.All spells that opponents resist with saving throws, that deal damage, or that harm or hamper are considered attacks.Additionally, invisibility contains further information.&nbsp; For the purposes of the invisibility spell, any spell that targets a foe, or whose area or effect includes a foe, is also an attack... where 'foe' is dependent of the subject's perceptions.If you cast Cure Light Wounds on someone who you perceive to be a foe, that is, per the text of invisibility (and only for purposes of the invisibility spell) an attack.If you cast Detect Magic so that the area includes someone who you perceive to be a foe, that is, per the text of invisibility (and only for purposes of the invisibility spell) an attack.Any spell that targets a foe.&nbsp; Any spell whose area or effect includes a foe.Now, what exactly defines a foe is something I'll whole-heartedly admit is unclear, and I've said so for years <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />-Hyp.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Hypersmurf, post: 1842374, member: 1656"] I don't see how that's different to casting Mass Cure Light Wounds including an undead creature as a target (deals damage, and is thus an attack), versus casting the same spell on your allies (doesn't deal damage, and is thus not an attack). Casting fireball on an area that includes a goblin? That's an attack. Casting fireball on an area that only includes your healed-by-fire creature? Not an attack. Per the text that describes what the term "attack" means when used by a spell where the word is important, that uses invisibility as its example! Invisibility doesn't end [i]exclusively[/i] contingent upon an "offensive combat action". It ends if the subject "attacks any creature". We have a definition of what "attack" means. Offensive combat actions are considered attacks. But that's not the end of the definition. Attempts to turn or rebuke undead are considered attacks. All spells that opponents resist with saving throws, that deal damage, or that harm or hamper are considered attacks. Additionally, invisibility contains further information. For the purposes of the invisibility spell, any spell that targets a foe, or whose area or effect includes a foe, is also an attack... where 'foe' is dependent of the subject's perceptions. If you cast Cure Light Wounds on someone who you perceive to be a foe, that is, per the text of invisibility (and only for purposes of the invisibility spell) an attack. If you cast Detect Magic so that the area includes someone who you perceive to be a foe, that is, per the text of invisibility (and only for purposes of the invisibility spell) an attack. Any spell that targets a foe. Any spell whose area or effect includes a foe. Now, what exactly defines a foe is something I'll whole-heartedly admit is unclear, and I've said so for years :) -Hyp. [/QUOTE]

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