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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Jeff Wilder" data-source="post: 1843256" data-attributes="member: 5122">Well, if nothing else it's the simplest approach.  If the wizard doesn't bypass SR, there's no need to worry about whether there's a partial save, or a strange save-effect, or whatever.  Whether it's codified or not -- and I'm quite willing to take your word that it's not -- I bet at least 90 percent of DMs, when they remember SR, check it first.Buh?  So what?  It appears in the opposite order in the monster's stat-block.That is an assertion that follows from your argument.  It is not actually an argument.  (But it is a fairly good example of another absurdity of your interpretation.)  It's not an attack because it isn't an "offensive combat action," either.The difference between the Hypersmurf Interpretation and the Wilder Interpretation is that the HI requires a DM to check the rules to determine that detect magic doesn't qualify as an attack.  Meanwhile, all one has to know under the WI is that detect magic isn't intended to harm, hamper, or cause damage.That is an assertion that follows from your argument.  It is not actually an argument.  I have demonstrated repeatedly how one can logically interpret the rule in such a way that this assertion is false.Instead of recognizing that there are certain absurditues the result from your interpretation, and considering the possibility that your interpretation just might be incorrect, you have chosen to embrace the absurdities, like so:To which I have to repeat:  "Wow."Jeff</blockquote>

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