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<blockquote data-quote="Jeff Wilder" data-source="post: 1843819" data-attributes="member: 5122">I agree.&nbsp; I suppose that's obvious. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":-)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :-)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":-)" />This is the same as casting a wall of ice for the same purpose.&nbsp; As long as the wall of ice is not cast to injure someone -- e.g., as a horizontal sheet overhead -- or hamper someone -- e.g., as a trapping hemisphere -- the wall of ice is not an attack, even if someone subsequently breaks through, moves through it, and takes the indicated cold damage.&nbsp; Same with the flaming sphere ... the intent is not to injure, it is to block an exit.You have done nothing except cast a spell which has indirectly resulted in harm.&nbsp; It is not an attack, and invisibility is not broken.As an aside, by the letter of the rules, a flaming sphere only deals its damage to creatures &quot;it strikes&quot; or if it &quot;enters a space with a creature.&quot;&nbsp; A strict constructionist -- no names, but his initials are Hypersmurf -- would probably argue that moving through the space occupied by the sphere doesn't count for damage.&nbsp; That's almost certainly not the intent of the spell, but that is what it says.&nbsp; Also note that, in any event, somebody with a good Jump modifier can go over the sphere; it's only five feet in diameter.Even Hypersmurf would agree on this one: the attempt to attack using ghoul touch is clearly an &quot;attack,&quot; under any reading of the rules, and ends invisibility immediately.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Jeff Wilder, post: 1843819, member: 5122"] I agree. I suppose that's obvious. :-) This is the same as casting a [i]wall of ice[/i] for the same purpose. As long as the [i]wall of ice[/i] is not cast to injure someone -- e.g., as a horizontal sheet overhead -- or hamper someone -- e.g., as a trapping hemisphere -- the [i]wall of ice[/i] is not an attack, even if someone subsequently breaks through, moves through it, and takes the indicated cold damage. Same with the [i]flaming sphere[/i] ... the intent is not to injure, it is to block an exit. You have done nothing except cast a spell which has indirectly resulted in harm. It is not an attack, and [I]invisibility[/I] is not broken. As an aside, by the letter of the rules, a [I]flaming sphere[/I] only deals its damage to creatures "it strikes" or if it "enters a space with a creature." A strict constructionist -- no names, but his initials are Hypersmurf -- would probably argue that moving through the space occupied by the sphere doesn't count for damage. That's almost certainly not the intent of the spell, but that is what it says. Also note that, in any event, somebody with a good Jump modifier can go over the sphere; it's only five feet in diameter. Even Hypersmurf would agree on this one: the attempt to attack using [i]ghoul touch[/i] is clearly an "attack," under any reading of the rules, and ends [I]invisibility[/I] immediately. [/QUOTE]

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