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<blockquote data-quote="sunshadow21" data-source="post: 6027926" data-attributes="member: 6667193"><p>I must admit that I probably wouldn't be as concerned if I didn't have a wizard that is likely going to have to depend on invisibility a fair bit to survive. With no AC and limited HP, it's one of the wizard's primary defenses against both magic and mundane attacks. Trying to tell a player that he can either defend himself but be largely useless to the rest of the party unless he wants to spend all his time buffing or actually help the party in combat by dealing with foes while leaving himself open for a counter attack is not going to go over well. Asking a fighter to make that decision would never even considered, but defining an attack that widely is going to do precisely that for a wizard or anyone else who relies on invisibility to be effective. Yes, there are other defenses, but invisibility is one of the few that breaks up both line of sight and effect for direct target spells while also protecting against regular attacks, so any ruling that limits the usefulness of invisibility limits the number of safe, but still useful, actions considerably. In the end, it's not the ruling of the immediate case that bothers me, it's the logic that is used, which can be problematic at higher levels, when the wizard really does need that for defense just to maintain basic usefulness.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="sunshadow21, post: 6027926, member: 6667193"] I must admit that I probably wouldn't be as concerned if I didn't have a wizard that is likely going to have to depend on invisibility a fair bit to survive. With no AC and limited HP, it's one of the wizard's primary defenses against both magic and mundane attacks. Trying to tell a player that he can either defend himself but be largely useless to the rest of the party unless he wants to spend all his time buffing or actually help the party in combat by dealing with foes while leaving himself open for a counter attack is not going to go over well. Asking a fighter to make that decision would never even considered, but defining an attack that widely is going to do precisely that for a wizard or anyone else who relies on invisibility to be effective. Yes, there are other defenses, but invisibility is one of the few that breaks up both line of sight and effect for direct target spells while also protecting against regular attacks, so any ruling that limits the usefulness of invisibility limits the number of safe, but still useful, actions considerably. In the end, it's not the ruling of the immediate case that bothers me, it's the logic that is used, which can be problematic at higher levels, when the wizard really does need that for defense just to maintain basic usefulness. [/QUOTE]
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