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<blockquote data-quote="Hypersmurf" data-source="post: 3149409" data-attributes="member: 1656">Take Call Lightning as another example.If one creature is subject to three bolts from the spell in three different rounds, he will make three saves - one chance per bolt to halve the damage for that bolt.However, if he has SR, his SR will be tested when the first bolt strikes, and that result will apply for all three:Check spell resistance only once for any particular casting of a spell or use of a spell-like ability. If spell resistance fails the first time, it fails each time the creature encounters that same casting of the spell. Likewise, if the spell resistance succeeds the first time, it always succeeds.SR behaves how you suggest saves might in this case.A saving throw of Reflex Negates is against the spell itself.&nbsp; Whether you think it should say &quot;See text&quot;, it does not.&nbsp; The spell doesn't negate invisibility because it deals direct damage; I agree, it does not deal direct damage.&nbsp; It negates invisibility because it is a spell that opponents resist with saving throws, and is hence an attack per PHB p171.Do you feel that damaging a foe with a bolt from Call Lightning would negate invisibility, by the way?There is, I think, a discrepancy in the description of the 'harmless' descriptor, which refers to a targeted creature; the Bless spell, for example, has the harmless descriptor against its saving throw, but is an Area spell, not a Targeted spell.&nbsp; So I agree that the term 'targeted' is misused in that definition.But the use of 'subject' in that section isn't - can't be! - restricted to targeted spells, due to the vast number of Area and Effect spells that allow saves.&nbsp; Rather, the (harmless) description uses 'targeted creature' when it should use 'subject creature'.-Hyp.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Hypersmurf, post: 3149409, member: 1656"] Take Call Lightning as another example. If one creature is subject to three bolts from the spell in three different rounds, he will make three saves - one chance per bolt to halve the damage for that bolt. However, if he has SR, his SR will be tested when the first bolt strikes, and that result will apply for all three: [i]Check spell resistance only once for any particular casting of a spell or use of a spell-like ability. If spell resistance fails the first time, it fails each time the creature encounters that same casting of the spell. Likewise, if the spell resistance succeeds the first time, it always succeeds.[/i] SR behaves how you suggest saves might in this case. A saving throw of Reflex Negates [i]is[/i] against the spell itself. Whether you think it [i]should[/i] say "See text", it does not. The spell doesn't negate invisibility because it deals direct damage; I agree, it does not deal direct damage. It negates invisibility because it is a spell that opponents resist with saving throws, and is hence an attack per PHB p171. Do you feel that damaging a foe with a bolt from Call Lightning would negate invisibility, by the way? There is, I think, a discrepancy in the description of the 'harmless' descriptor, which refers to a targeted creature; the Bless spell, for example, has the harmless descriptor against its saving throw, but is an Area spell, not a Targeted spell. So I agree that the term 'targeted' is misused in that definition. But the use of 'subject' in that section isn't - can't be! - restricted to targeted spells, due to the vast number of Area and Effect spells that allow saves. Rather, the (harmless) description uses 'targeted creature' when it should use 'subject creature'. -Hyp. [/QUOTE]

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