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<blockquote data-quote="TYPO5478" data-source="post: 3154462" data-attributes="member: 37531"><p>Even though it's been a long time since I coded anything, I think I followed that. However, the most significant problem I see is that you haven't excluded <em>summon monster</em>. Your second IF statement would definitely include damage from a summoned being (considering that the effect of the summon spell <strong>is</strong> the creature).</p><p></p><p>Which raises another question about <em>summon monster</em>: what if a summoned creature forces a foe to make a save? Are they saving against the summon spell, or the effect of the summon spell? Without the spell, the opponent wouldn't have had to make the save.</p><p></p><p>Heh. Fair enough. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite8" alt=":D" title="Big grin :D" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":D" /> </p><p></p><p>I'm not trying to complicate the issue at all; the issue is complicated enough by itself. I'm simply trying to specify the nuances of everyone's respective interpretations (of which, at this point, I count four: Dracorat's, Hypersmurf's, evilbob's and mine). They're all different to one degree or another, so each is capable of yielding different results when applied to the same situation. Not to mention the fact that we will be playing out this scene sooner or later, and I want to make sure I understand the consequences of my actions before I take them.</p><p></p><p>The problem I have with the "intention to attack" interpretation is that intentions are difficult, if not impossible, to determine objectively. Even if you could, the character could change his intentions retroactively.</p><p></p><p>Consider this scenario in terms of intention: an invisible sorceror casts flaming sphere in a space where it won't break his invisibility (so he's safe at least to begin with). His plan is to send the sphere to set a building on fire. Along the path to that building, there are several foes. If any of the enemies get burned, will it be considered an attack (keeping in mind that the sorceror's only intention is to ignite the structure behind them)?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="TYPO5478, post: 3154462, member: 37531"] Even though it's been a long time since I coded anything, I think I followed that. However, the most significant problem I see is that you haven't excluded [I]summon monster[/I]. Your second IF statement would definitely include damage from a summoned being (considering that the effect of the summon spell [B]is[/B] the creature). Which raises another question about [I]summon monster[/I]: what if a summoned creature forces a foe to make a save? Are they saving against the summon spell, or the effect of the summon spell? Without the spell, the opponent wouldn't have had to make the save. Heh. Fair enough. :D I'm not trying to complicate the issue at all; the issue is complicated enough by itself. I'm simply trying to specify the nuances of everyone's respective interpretations (of which, at this point, I count four: Dracorat's, Hypersmurf's, evilbob's and mine). They're all different to one degree or another, so each is capable of yielding different results when applied to the same situation. Not to mention the fact that we will be playing out this scene sooner or later, and I want to make sure I understand the consequences of my actions before I take them. The problem I have with the "intention to attack" interpretation is that intentions are difficult, if not impossible, to determine objectively. Even if you could, the character could change his intentions retroactively. Consider this scenario in terms of intention: an invisible sorceror casts flaming sphere in a space where it won't break his invisibility (so he's safe at least to begin with). His plan is to send the sphere to set a building on fire. Along the path to that building, there are several foes. If any of the enemies get burned, will it be considered an attack (keeping in mind that the sorceror's only intention is to ignite the structure behind them)? [/QUOTE]
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