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<blockquote data-quote="ZeroGlobal2003" data-source="post: 2408220" data-attributes="member: 20064">Longbow: You need at least two hands to use a bow, regardless of its size. A longbow is too unwieldy to use while you are mounted. If you have a penalty for low Strength, apply it to damage rolls when you use a longbow. If you have a bonus for high Strength, you can apply it to damage rolls when you use a composite longbow (see below) but not a regular longbow.Longbow&nbsp; &nbsp; 75 gp&nbsp; &nbsp; 1d6&nbsp; &nbsp; 1d8&nbsp; &nbsp; x3&nbsp; &nbsp; 100 ft.&nbsp; &nbsp; 3 lb.&nbsp; &nbsp; PiercingArrows (20)&nbsp; &nbsp; 1 gp&nbsp; &nbsp; —&nbsp; &nbsp; —&nbsp; &nbsp; —&nbsp; &nbsp; —&nbsp; &nbsp; 3 lb.&nbsp; &nbsp; —Longbow, composite&nbsp; &nbsp; 100 gp&nbsp; &nbsp; 1d6&nbsp; &nbsp; 1d8&nbsp; &nbsp; x3&nbsp; &nbsp; 110 ft.&nbsp; &nbsp; 3 lb.&nbsp; &nbsp; PiercingArrows (20)&nbsp; &nbsp; 1 gp&nbsp; &nbsp; —&nbsp; &nbsp; —&nbsp; &nbsp; —&nbsp; &nbsp; —&nbsp; &nbsp; 3 lb.&nbsp; &nbsp; —So, if you use a longbow as an improvised melee weapon you don't get your strength bonus to attack, but you do if you use a composite longbow as an improvised melee weapon. There is clearly something wrong with that.Frost: Upon command, a frost weapon is sheathed in icy cold. The cold does not harm the wielder. The effect remains until another command is given. A frost weapon deals an extra 1d6 points of cold damage on a successful hit. Bows, crossbows, and slings so crafted bestow the cold energy upon their ammunition.Moderate evocation; CL 8th; Craft Magic Arms and Armor, chill metal or ice storm; Price +1 bonus.Here is the proof that your whole &quot;- + X = -&quot; theory is a load of bunk. The ability clearly says that it adds the energy to the ammunition. The energy clearly says it adds damage to the weapon, in this case the ammunition. By your arguement Flaming, Frost, Shocking, etc add damage to - and do nothing. +1 flaming bow firing an arrow fires a normal arrow.The rules say it doesn't as does all common sense.Zero</blockquote>

[QUOTE="ZeroGlobal2003, post: 2408220, member: 20064"] [COLOR=Sienna]Longbow: You need at least two hands to use a bow, regardless of its size. A longbow is too unwieldy to use while you are mounted. If you have a penalty for low Strength, apply it to damage rolls when you use a longbow. If you have a bonus for high Strength, you can apply it to damage rolls when you use a composite longbow (see below) but not a regular longbow.[/COLOR] [COLOR=DarkOliveGreen]Longbow 75 gp 1d6 1d8 x3 100 ft. 3 lb. Piercing Arrows (20) 1 gp — — — — 3 lb. — Longbow, composite 100 gp 1d6 1d8 x3 110 ft. 3 lb. Piercing Arrows (20) 1 gp — — — — 3 lb. —[/COLOR] So, if you use a longbow as an improvised melee weapon you don't get your strength bonus to attack, but you do if you use a composite longbow as an improvised melee weapon. There is clearly something wrong with that. [COLOR=DarkSlateBlue]Frost: Upon command, a frost weapon is sheathed in icy cold. The cold does not harm the wielder. The effect remains until another command is given. A frost weapon deals an extra 1d6 points of cold damage on a successful hit. Bows, crossbows, and slings so crafted bestow the cold energy upon their ammunition. Moderate evocation; CL 8th; Craft Magic Arms and Armor, chill metal or ice storm; Price +1 bonus.[/COLOR] Here is the proof that your whole "- + X = -" theory is a load of bunk. The ability clearly says that it adds the energy to the ammunition. The energy clearly says it adds damage to the weapon, in this case the ammunition. By your arguement Flaming, Frost, Shocking, etc add damage to - and do nothing. +1 flaming bow firing an arrow fires a normal arrow. The rules say it doesn't as does all common sense. Zero [/QUOTE]

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