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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Dannyalcatraz" data-source="post: 2409065" data-attributes="member: 19675">The original poster didn't limit responses to RAW.  Nor, for that matter did he limit the question to flaming/burst powers.  More on that later... Actually, I'll accept that as a valid critique- by rule.However, since the Flaming description also points out that the flame cannot harm the weapon wielder, I'll stand by my assertion that the flame still burns ( :\ ) non-wielders who touch it, and I'll just consider it my houserule.Still, for purposes of this thread, I'll rephrase my series of questions.That is:#1) What happens when the weilder of a Flaming sword says the command word, then smacks the palms of a human (call him Vic Timm) with the flat of the flaming sword's blade as counting coup (ie-trying to strike without doing damage)? Does Vic get burned and take 1d6 flame damage?I'm thinking the answer is yes. The weapon is on fire, and fire burns. Vic takes 1d6 fire damage.#2) Considering your answer to question #1, would the same happen to Vic if the weapon was a Flaming whip? (or a Flaming net? A Flaming Man-Catcher?)I'm thinking the answer is yes in each case. The weapon is on fire, and fire burns. Vic takes 1d6 fire damage.It doesn't matter that the weapon isn't doing damage because its the enchantment- the weapon's magical enhancement-doing the damage.The adjective "Flaming" needed a noun to modify- the writer likely chose "weapon" because it is extremely conceptually awkward to refer to "wielding a flaming enhancement."  Instead, in that power and EVERY one except Keen, Ki Focus and Throwing, all weapons with enhancement "X" are called "X" Weapons- the weapon enhancement texts were all written in a similar style.  This matters because of what follows below.NOW- The OP also asked about the Vorpal power, which requres that the weapon enchanted be a slashing weapon...which a whip is.  The Vorpal power triggers when a natural 20 plus a crit confirmation roll is made, which has the result of: "...the weapon severs the opponent's head (if it has one) from its body." DMGp226.Yet how can a weapon that cannot harm an armored opponent BEHEAD him?Answer: the enchantment overcomes the normal limitations of the base weapon.And since it is an enhancement that does this (what kind of weapon does not matter), the "weapon does _____" language should all be understood the same way, since the enhancement descriptions were all written the same way.Or are you going to rule that a vorpal whip cannot behead an armored creature despite there being no requirement of doing damage?</blockquote>

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