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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Dannyalcatraz" data-source="post: 2409728" data-attributes="member: 19675">And yet, RAW- "When your attack succeeds, you deal damage." PHB p134.Yes... I know that farther down the page, you get "Damage reduces a target's current hit points."But all that just gets us to this point:When your attack succeeds, you deal damage. (Rule)Damage reduces a target's current hit points. (Lemma)A successful trip attack results in the target being tripped.Nowhere in the trip attack rules (PHBp158) does it state that a trip attack does or doesn't do damage... so either trips do normal damage for the method in which the trip is delivered OR (see Conclusion below).And:When your attack succeeds, you deal damage. (Rule)Damage reduces a target's current hit points. (Lemma)A successful Vorpal attack results in the target being beheaded.Nowhere in the Vorpal attack rules (DMGp226) does it state that a vorpal attack does or doesn't do damage... so either vorpal attacks do normal damage OR (see Conclusion below).So we have a conundrum.Conclusion- Either not all successful attacks deal damage- contradicting the very first Rule under the Dealing damage section, and thus the RAW- or the Lemma is false, also contradicting the RAW.Furthermore, the PHB only has 2 definitions of death- reduction to -10 hp or death by massive damage (50+points in a single strike followed by failing a Fort save); the DMG adds the reduction of Con to 0, Death Attacks, or death by accumulation of negative levels.And even then, the DMG (p292) states "In case it mattes, a dead character, no matter how he died, has -10 HP," thus collapsing all definitions of death into the first one.</blockquote>

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