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<blockquote data-quote="Feldrin" data-source="post: 1315609" data-attributes="member: 15302">Hi,I've got some questions about how invisible characters can flank an opponent.Here's the situation : we have a rogue PC fighting an NPC. A wizard PC becomes invisible and moves to a flanking position.1) can the rogue sneak attack (ie is this a flanking situation) even if nobody is aware that the wizard is here ?2) the wizard attacks, is still invisible, and now both the rogue and the NPC are aware of his presence. Does it change something ?3) the wizard silently moves away from the battle. What happens ?Here are my thoughts about this issue : I think that there can only be flanking when the NPC is aware that someone is behind his back. So I would say that the NPC is not flanked in situation 1, but is in situation 2. However, this leads us to situation 3 where an invisible character can make a clever use of Move Silently and Invisibility to help his friends flank their opponents.There's a 3rd-level arcane spell in Mongoose's Encyclopaedia Divine : Shamans (called Ghost Combattant if I remember well) which tricks the target in thinking that someone is behind him, effectively granting flanking bonus to anyone attacking him. This seems to be something close to this situation.I hope I explained it without too many english mistakes. My player has been kind enough to tell me about this idea before playing it in the next game so I have some time to seriously think about it, and I need your help on that matter.Thanks</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Feldrin, post: 1315609, member: 15302"] Hi, I've got some questions about how invisible characters can flank an opponent. Here's the situation : we have a rogue PC fighting an NPC. A wizard PC becomes invisible and moves to a flanking position. 1) can the rogue sneak attack (ie is this a flanking situation) even if nobody is aware that the wizard is here ? 2) the wizard attacks, is still invisible, and now both the rogue and the NPC are aware of his presence. Does it change something ? 3) the wizard silently moves away from the battle. What happens ? Here are my thoughts about this issue : I think that there can only be flanking when the NPC is aware that someone is behind his back. So I would say that the NPC is not flanked in situation 1, but is in situation 2. However, this leads us to situation 3 where an invisible character can make a clever use of Move Silently and Invisibility to help his friends flank their opponents. There's a 3rd-level arcane spell in Mongoose's Encyclopaedia Divine : Shamans (called Ghost Combattant if I remember well) which tricks the target in thinking that someone is behind him, effectively granting flanking bonus to anyone attacking him. This seems to be something close to this situation. I hope I explained it without too many english mistakes. My player has been kind enough to tell me about this idea before playing it in the next game so I have some time to seriously think about it, and I need your help on that matter. Thanks [/QUOTE]

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