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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Charlaquin" data-source="post: 8162801" data-attributes="member: 6779196">Actually by the flanking rule in the DMG, the orc can respond to you moving around behind it by changing facing, but not to you attacking it from behind. That’s because the only trigger for using your reaction to change facing (at least by DMG RAW - you could house rule this if you wanted to) is when another creature ends its movement. Now, you could argue that your movement hasn’t really “ended” if you then go on to move back around to the other side of the orc, but those are reeds I have no interest in getting into. The way movement works in 5e allows you to split it up however you like during your turn, and I like that about it. I wouldn’t ask my players to declare when they’ve “ended” their movement for the turn.Ah, see, the way I interpret Facing, your back arc isn’t within your reach, since the text says you “normally can’t attack creatures in your back arc.” So by my reading, entering a creature’s back arc while within 5 feet of it (or 10 feet if it’s wielding a Reach weapon) would provoke an opportunity attack. That’s actually another point in favor of Facing for me, as it  curtails the ability to move freely around a target while within its reach, without going back to the gridlock of 3e and 4e OAs.It requires you to coordinate with your teammate rather than simply standing on either side of your target. For example, if the fighter approaches and attacks the orc from in front first, and then the rogue approaches the orc’s back, it will turn around to deny the rogue advantage, meaning neither character got an advantage attack in that round. If the rogue first approaches the orc’s back, it will probably turn around immediately to deny the rogue advantage, potentially giving the fighter the opportunity to attack with advantage. Useful, but not optimal since the rogue benefits more from advantage than the fighter does. If the rogue first approaches the orc from in front and Readies an action to attack if the orc turns around, and then the Fighter approaches the orc from behind, the orc is in a tricky position, as it has to decide if it should allow the fighter that advantage attack, or turn around, exposing its back to the rogue.  There’s a lot more for both the players and me to consider to try and take advantage of the Facing rule than the Flanking rule, and in my opinion that makes the advantage feel much more earned than it does with flanking. YMMV.</blockquote>

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