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Message: <blockquote data-quote="DND_Reborn" data-source="post: 8167227" data-attributes="member: 6987520">ShrugIME it wouldn't be easy for this to happen unless:<ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">the PCs literally walked into an ambush (you have no point man?) and were surprised (not likely for Ogres with no Stealth and DEX 8)</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">the players all rolled crappy Initiative. Remember, Ogres have that -1 DEX mod again...</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">they didn't in any other way "see a troop of ogres" advancing on them</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">or some combination of the above.</li> </ul>Now, at lower levels, change the scenario to goblins or something that is adept at hiding, and you could be in a world of hurt. Or orcs even with Agresssion.But Ogres? Nah, can't really see that happening much.Finally, since [USER=6855114]@Helldritch[/USER] says this was an issue for his game and removed flanking, that's fine. I don't find it to be as big a deal as is, and offer suggestions for people who do find it problematic.</blockquote>