Menu
News
All News
Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
Pathfinder
Starfinder
Warhammer
2d20 System
Year Zero Engine
Industry News
Reviews
Dragon Reflections
Columns
Weekly Digests
Weekly News Digest
Freebies, Sales & Bundles
RPG Print News
RPG Crowdfunding News
Game Content
ENterplanetary DimENsions
Mythological Figures
Opinion
Worlds of Design
Peregrine's Next
RPG Evolution
Other Columns
From the Freelancing Frontline
Monster ENcyclopedia
WotC/TSR Alumni Look Back
4 Hours w/RSD (Ryan Dancey)
The Road to 3E (Jonathan Tweet)
Greenwood's Realms (Ed Greenwood)
Drawmij's TSR (Jim Ward)
Community
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Resources
Wiki
Pages
Latest activity
Media
New media
New comments
Search media
Downloads
Latest reviews
Search resources
EN Publishing
Store
EN5ider
Adventures in ZEITGEIST
Awfully Cheerful Engine
What's OLD is NEW
Judge Dredd & The Worlds Of 2000AD
War of the Burning Sky
Level Up: Advanced 5E
Events & Releases
Upcoming Events
Private Events
Featured Events
Socials!
Twitch
YouTube
Facebook (EN Publishing)
Facebook (EN World)
Twitter
Instagram
TikTok
Podcast
Features
Top 5 RPGs Compiled Charts 2004-Present
Adventure Game Industry Market Research Summary (RPGs) V1.0
Ryan Dancey: Acquiring TSR
Q&A With Gary Gygax
D&D Rules FAQs
TSR, WotC, & Paizo: A Comparative History
D&D Pronunciation Guide
Million Dollar TTRPG Kickstarters
Tabletop RPG Podcast Hall of Fame
Eric Noah's Unofficial D&D 3rd Edition News
D&D in the Mainstream
D&D & RPG History
About Morrus
Log in
Register
What's new
Search
Search
Search titles only
By:
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Menu
Log in
Register
Install the app
Install
The
VOIDRUNNER'S CODEX
is coming! Explore new worlds, fight oppressive empires, fend off fearsome aliens, and wield deadly psionics with this comprehensive boxed set expansion for 5E and A5E!
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*Dungeons & Dragons
Flanking
JavaScript is disabled. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding.
You are using an out of date browser. It may not display this or other websites correctly.
You should upgrade or use an
alternative browser
.
Reply to thread
Message
<blockquote data-quote="tetrasodium" data-source="post: 8172976" data-attributes="member: 93670"><p>On the spellcasting bit melee attack spells (shocking grasp/inflict wounds/<a href="https://www.dndbeyond.com/spells?filter-class=0&filter-search=&filter-attack-type=1&filter-verbal=&filter-somatic=&filter-material=&filter-concentration=&filter-ritual=&filter-sub-class=" target="_blank">etc</a>) or those spells need to be made dramatically better to account that casting them is pretty much a guarantee of eating aoo. the 5e phb190 sidebar pretty much reads like someone wanted to make it as difficult as possible to import the old AoO rules as difficult as possible since a lot of those things listed provoked one or more AoOs & in some cases multiple actions with the bag of holding/handy haversack standing as evidence to it being more someone with a last minute grudge against it rather than a deeply thought out change. </p><p></p><p>As to the "how did someone do it at their table", that one doesn't realy matter much since it was only a single oneish sentence change rather than say <a href="https://www.enworld.org/threads/flanking.677376/post-8172944" target="_blank">a 2 page 621 word new system</a> trying to strip out a useless by design one & rebuild something that works</p><p></p><p>[USER=6801328]@Elfcrusher[/USER] it's one thing to say that 5e was trying to avoid things, but it's not exactly like the results of trying to do that didn't create serious problems of their own as this nine page thread is a good example of. At some point 5e's design goal purists need to step back & admit that goals can't always be met without good intentions becoming the enemy of the system itself, You only need to look at jump as<a href="https://www.enworld.org/threads/it%E2%80%99s-so-pretty.677449/post-8165979" target="_blank"> an example</a> of oversimplification making an already simple thing complicated</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="tetrasodium, post: 8172976, member: 93670"] On the spellcasting bit melee attack spells (shocking grasp/inflict wounds/[URL='https://www.dndbeyond.com/spells?filter-class=0&filter-search=&filter-attack-type=1&filter-verbal=&filter-somatic=&filter-material=&filter-concentration=&filter-ritual=&filter-sub-class=']etc[/URL]) or those spells need to be made dramatically better to account that casting them is pretty much a guarantee of eating aoo. the 5e phb190 sidebar pretty much reads like someone wanted to make it as difficult as possible to import the old AoO rules as difficult as possible since a lot of those things listed provoked one or more AoOs & in some cases multiple actions with the bag of holding/handy haversack standing as evidence to it being more someone with a last minute grudge against it rather than a deeply thought out change. As to the "how did someone do it at their table", that one doesn't realy matter much since it was only a single oneish sentence change rather than say [URL='https://www.enworld.org/threads/flanking.677376/post-8172944']a 2 page 621 word new system[/URL] trying to strip out a useless by design one & rebuild something that works [USER=6801328]@Elfcrusher[/USER] it's one thing to say that 5e was trying to avoid things, but it's not exactly like the results of trying to do that didn't create serious problems of their own as this nine page thread is a good example of. At some point 5e's design goal purists need to step back & admit that goals can't always be met without good intentions becoming the enemy of the system itself, You only need to look at jump as[URL='https://www.enworld.org/threads/it%E2%80%99s-so-pretty.677449/post-8165979'] an example[/URL] of oversimplification making an already simple thing complicated [/QUOTE]
Insert quotes…
Verification
Post reply
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*Dungeons & Dragons
Flanking
Top