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<blockquote data-quote="Friend of the Dork" data-source="post: 5736144" data-attributes="member: 91954"><p>Hey</p><p></p><p>These issues have come up repeatedly in my and others' games: When is someone flat-footed, and why? </p><p></p><p>By RAW everyone is flat-footed until they act in a round. This does not correlate with the common definition of flat-footed (not to be confused with flat feet), which is to be surprised, unable to react. </p><p></p><p>Now if there is a combat where everyone are aware of the enemy and ready to fight before the first attack is made, should they still be flat-footed when initiative is rolled?</p><p></p><p>Is it possible to start a combat before enemies are able to attack one another? Say, when looking through a glass door about to open, or waiting for an elevator to come up?</p><p></p><p>What happens if both the enemies and the party are using Ready actions with the same trigger? What if both sides are using Delay action instead?</p><p></p><p>As you can see it is not as clear cut as you might think. There are 2 situations that ARE clear: </p><p></p><p>1. Enemy and party detects one another at the same time: Neither side is aware before combat, initative is rolled and everyone is flat-footed until their turn comes up. </p><p></p><p>2. One side is aware and ambushes the other, Only the victims are all flat-footed both in the surprise round as well as the 1st ordinary round until they can act.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Friend of the Dork, post: 5736144, member: 91954"] Hey These issues have come up repeatedly in my and others' games: When is someone flat-footed, and why? By RAW everyone is flat-footed until they act in a round. This does not correlate with the common definition of flat-footed (not to be confused with flat feet), which is to be surprised, unable to react. Now if there is a combat where everyone are aware of the enemy and ready to fight before the first attack is made, should they still be flat-footed when initiative is rolled? Is it possible to start a combat before enemies are able to attack one another? Say, when looking through a glass door about to open, or waiting for an elevator to come up? What happens if both the enemies and the party are using Ready actions with the same trigger? What if both sides are using Delay action instead? As you can see it is not as clear cut as you might think. There are 2 situations that ARE clear: 1. Enemy and party detects one another at the same time: Neither side is aware before combat, initative is rolled and everyone is flat-footed until their turn comes up. 2. One side is aware and ambushes the other, Only the victims are all flat-footed both in the surprise round as well as the 1st ordinary round until they can act. [/QUOTE]
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