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<blockquote data-quote="Friend of the Dork" data-source="post: 5737846" data-attributes="member: 91954">That is an interesting take on it, and quite valid. However, if you allow players to begin combat when they want to it means enemies will ONLY be flat-footed if they are unaware until the combat starts, which means they will either be Surprised or they detected the enemy just as the combat begins. Otherwise it is stupid not to take delay, ready or total defense actions (or just spell up), thus having acted before the first attack is made. This actually makes sense, and is an interpretation of RAW,&nbsp; but may deprive the Rogue of some sneak attacks (which I believe Stream here is concerned about). Still, if this is the only way the Rogue has to make sneak attacks he is pretty gimped anyway. These situations are not THAT common to begin with, unless you are playing &quot;Elevator Action&quot; the RPG (kudos for ppl getting the reference).</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Friend of the Dork, post: 5737846, member: 91954"] That is an interesting take on it, and quite valid. However, if you allow players to begin combat when they want to it means enemies will ONLY be flat-footed if they are unaware until the combat starts, which means they will either be Surprised or they detected the enemy just as the combat begins. Otherwise it is stupid not to take delay, ready or total defense actions (or just spell up), thus having acted before the first attack is made. This actually makes sense, and is an interpretation of RAW, but may deprive the Rogue of some sneak attacks (which I believe Stream here is concerned about). Still, if this is the only way the Rogue has to make sneak attacks he is pretty gimped anyway. These situations are not THAT common to begin with, unless you are playing "Elevator Action" the RPG (kudos for ppl getting the reference). [/QUOTE]

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