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<blockquote data-quote="Shin Okada" data-source="post: 2656905" data-attributes="member: 1956">If you mean &quot;only applies in the first regular round&quot;, the answer is &quot;no&quot;. A character is flat-footed if he does not yet have a chance to act (turn) in that &quot;combat&quot;.Say, a rogue is sneaked up to a group of Goblins. Goblin A &amp; B did noticed the rogue (win in opposed Listen vs Move Silently checks), while Goblin C &amp; D&nbsp; didn't.Now, in the surprise round, the Rogue, Goblin A &amp; Goblin B roll initiative. Assume Goblin A's initiative is 20, Rogue is 16, &amp; Goblin B is 12.First, Goblin A takes a turn (with only one standard action or one move action). At this moment, all the other participants of tha combat, including the rogue, are flat-footed. Because they are not yet acted. So the rogue may lose dex bonus to AC if he does not have uncanny dodge.Then the rogue takes a turn. Now he is not flat-footed. Goblin A is not flat-footed, too. Other 3 goblins are all flat-footed. Because they are not yet acted.Then Goblin B takes his turn. Now B is not flat-footed. Goblin C &amp; D are still flat-footed.This is the end of the surprise turn. Now Goblin C &amp; D roll their initiative. Assume C is 18 amd D is 14.Now initiative counts of combatants are,Goblin A = 20Goblin C = 18Rogue = 16Goblin D = 14Goblin B = 12Now, the 1st regular round starts.When the rogue acts at his initiative counts of 16, Goblin A is not flat-footed. Because he has already acted twice.Goblin C is not flat-footed. Because he has already acted once in the 1st regular round.Goblin D is flat-footed. Because he has not yet acted.Goblin B is not flat-footed. Because while he has not yet acted in the regular round, he has acted once in the surprise round.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Shin Okada, post: 2656905, member: 1956"] If you mean "only applies in the first regular round", the answer is "no". A character is flat-footed if he does not yet have a chance to act (turn) in that "combat". Say, a rogue is sneaked up to a group of Goblins. Goblin A & B did noticed the rogue (win in opposed Listen vs Move Silently checks), while Goblin C & D didn't. Now, in the surprise round, the Rogue, Goblin A & Goblin B roll initiative. Assume Goblin A's initiative is 20, Rogue is 16, & Goblin B is 12. First, Goblin A takes a turn (with only one standard action or one move action). At this moment, all the other participants of tha combat, including the rogue, are flat-footed. Because they are not yet acted. So the rogue may lose dex bonus to AC if he does not have uncanny dodge. Then the rogue takes a turn. Now he is not flat-footed. Goblin A is not flat-footed, too. Other 3 goblins are all flat-footed. Because they are not yet acted. Then Goblin B takes his turn. Now B is not flat-footed. Goblin C & D are still flat-footed. This is the end of the surprise turn. Now Goblin C & D roll their initiative. Assume C is 18 amd D is 14. Now initiative counts of combatants are, Goblin A = 20 Goblin C = 18 Rogue = 16 Goblin D = 14 Goblin B = 12 Now, the 1st regular round starts. When the rogue acts at his initiative counts of 16, Goblin A is not flat-footed. Because he has already acted twice. Goblin C is not flat-footed. Because he has already acted once in the 1st regular round. Goblin D is flat-footed. Because he has not yet acted. Goblin B is not flat-footed. Because while he has not yet acted in the regular round, he has acted once in the surprise round. [/QUOTE]

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