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<blockquote data-quote="Arrowhawk" data-source="post: 5627058" data-attributes="member: 6679551">But if they read my interpretation of the rules...and they agreed with it...then you would be upset?&nbsp; Correct?&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;We don't have any PC rogues in our group.&nbsp; No one has had attempted to use Delay in our campaign yet.&nbsp;&nbsp;For the same reason they put FF in the game to begin with.&nbsp; Look, in the PHB, the first or second rule in the &quot;Combat&quot; section is: &nbsp;Everyone starts out flat footed.&nbsp;That's a big deal if you're a rogue or a high dex character.&nbsp; Especially when the RAW say you lose your ENTIRE dex bonus...regardless of what it is.&nbsp;&nbsp; But if you have a Dex of 10, you get away scott free.&nbsp; Pray tell me how does that makes sense in terms of balance?&nbsp;There are all kinds of decisions the WotC made with regards to penalties, conditions, modifiers that leave one scratching his head going, hunh?&nbsp;&nbsp;The TWF have been asking that since 3.0.&nbsp; I have a suspicion of what the answer is...but that's another topic.&nbsp;&nbsp;Dude, you're preaching to the choir.&nbsp;&nbsp; The problem is not with being FF...it's with the NO DEX BONUS.&nbsp; If it were just a flat tax...it wouldn't be so egregous to high dex characters who lose Init. &nbsp;But again, statistically, you are least likely to be caught flat footed...so maybe that's why the game shrugged on the nastyness of no dex bonus...and subsequently being FF'd&nbsp;&nbsp;So wait...you think it's unfair to make you choose between being good at one or the other?&nbsp;&nbsp;Grass is always greener on the other side, isn't it?&nbsp; I'm sure the fighter would LOVE Uncanny Dodge...which you can't get as a pure Fighter.&nbsp;&nbsp; Several dice of Sneak Attack damage would be pretty snazzy too.&nbsp; &nbsp;Honestly, all the classes can't be balanced.&nbsp; It's not possible.&nbsp; What you hope for is that you each class has meaningful purpose.&nbsp;&nbsp; So saying, &quot;I ready an action to flank anyone the fighter attacks within my 30' radius&quot; is in voilation of someone's sense of decorum?&nbsp;&nbsp; Go here:&nbsp;<a href="http://www.d20srd.org/srd/combat/specialInitiativeActions.htm#delay" target="_blank">Special Initiative Actions :: d20srd.org</a>&nbsp;&nbsp;Not sure I understand the question?&nbsp;Just out of raw curiosity, after your DM lets you delay your action....what is your Iniatitive in the next round?&nbsp; Do you still keep your 28 and get to decide if you want to Delay all over again?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Arrowhawk, post: 5627058, member: 6679551"] But if they read my interpretation of the rules...and they agreed with it...then you would be upset? Correct? We don't have any PC rogues in our group. No one has had attempted to use Delay in our campaign yet. For the same reason they put FF in the game to begin with. Look, in the PHB, the first or second rule in the "Combat" section is: Everyone starts out flat footed. That's a big deal if you're a rogue or a high dex character. Especially when the RAW say you lose your ENTIRE dex bonus...regardless of what it is. But if you have a Dex of 10, you get away scott free. Pray tell me how does that makes sense in terms of balance? There are all kinds of decisions the WotC made with regards to penalties, conditions, modifiers that leave one scratching his head going, hunh? The TWF have been asking that since 3.0. I have a suspicion of what the answer is...but that's another topic. Dude, you're preaching to the choir. The problem is not with being FF...it's with the NO DEX BONUS. If it were just a flat tax...it wouldn't be so egregous to high dex characters who lose Init. But again, statistically, you are least likely to be caught flat footed...so maybe that's why the game shrugged on the nastyness of no dex bonus...and subsequently being FF'd So wait...you think it's unfair to make you choose between being good at one or the other? Grass is always greener on the other side, isn't it? I'm sure the fighter would LOVE Uncanny Dodge...which you can't get as a pure Fighter. Several dice of Sneak Attack damage would be pretty snazzy too. Honestly, all the classes can't be balanced. It's not possible. What you hope for is that you each class has meaningful purpose. So saying, "I ready an action to flank anyone the fighter attacks within my 30' radius" is in voilation of someone's sense of decorum? Go here: [url=http://www.d20srd.org/srd/combat/specialInitiativeActions.htm#delay]Special Initiative Actions :: d20srd.org[/url] Not sure I understand the question? Just out of raw curiosity, after your DM lets you delay your action....what is your Iniatitive in the next round? Do you still keep your 28 and get to decide if you want to Delay all over again? [/QUOTE]

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