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<blockquote data-quote="JamesonCourage" data-source="post: 5628050" data-attributes="member: 6668292"><p>I'm assuming that this also applies to other things?</p><p> Two-Weapon Fighting is dictating the penalties you take, not your character. Interesting.</p><p>Trip is the same way.</p><p>As is overrun.</p><p>As is bull rush.</p><p>As is disarm.</p><p></p><p>In fact, none of these maneuvers reference your character! They just say "you" may attempt something. Shouldn't, by all rights, the game say "<strong>[your character]</strong> can make a bull rush as a standard action (an attack) or as part of a charge" or "with an overrun, <strong>[your character]</strong> attempts to plow past or over your opponent (and move through his square) as you move"?</p><p></p><p>I really don't find your assertion of them saying "you" instead of your character being all that compelling.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Whoa, whoa. You're claiming "The RAW says you can make that determination at any point" but asking me to show where in the RAW it says I have to wait until my initiative to choose to Delay. I'd like to see where it says you can make that determination before your turn, please.</p><p></p><p>Delay, in the SRD, in it's entirety:</p><p></p><p>Please, show me where it says you can use the delay action any time you'd like, even if it's not your initiative. Since, as far as I can tell, there's no such wording (though your wording of "The RAW says you can make that determination at any point" seems to indicate that this isn't the case). </p><p></p><p>It says "You can specify this new initiative result" but it does not say when you can take that action.</p><p></p><p>As far as I can tell from the combat section, choosing what you'll be doing takes place on your turn (on your initiative).</p><p></p><p>And, as far as I can tell, initiative decides who can make decisions in what order. </p><p>Initiative specifically mentions characters acting in order, not necessarily taking actions. If you still think the player is taking the action, I'd like to see why you think that, as even combat maneuvers say "you" instead of "your character" when being described.</p><p></p><p>The last sentence seems to imply, at least to me, that delaying or readying an action changes things specifically "<em>in every round that follows</em>" and not the first round. In the first round, it seems implied that the character will able to take an action (clear flat-footed moments before his initiative), choose to take no actions by delaying, and then potentially acting later on.</p><p></p><p>As always, play what you like <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="JamesonCourage, post: 5628050, member: 6668292"] I'm assuming that this also applies to other things? Two-Weapon Fighting is dictating the penalties you take, not your character. Interesting. Trip is the same way. As is overrun. As is bull rush. As is disarm. In fact, none of these maneuvers reference your character! They just say "you" may attempt something. Shouldn't, by all rights, the game say "[B][your character][/B] can make a bull rush as a standard action (an attack) or as part of a charge" or "with an overrun, [B][your character][/B] attempts to plow past or over your opponent (and move through his square) as you move"? I really don't find your assertion of them saying "you" instead of your character being all that compelling. Whoa, whoa. You're claiming "The RAW says you can make that determination at any point" but asking me to show where in the RAW it says I have to wait until my initiative to choose to Delay. I'd like to see where it says you can make that determination before your turn, please. Delay, in the SRD, in it's entirety: Please, show me where it says you can use the delay action any time you'd like, even if it's not your initiative. Since, as far as I can tell, there's no such wording (though your wording of "The RAW says you can make that determination at any point" seems to indicate that this isn't the case). It says "You can specify this new initiative result" but it does not say when you can take that action. As far as I can tell from the combat section, choosing what you'll be doing takes place on your turn (on your initiative). And, as far as I can tell, initiative decides who can make decisions in what order. Initiative specifically mentions characters acting in order, not necessarily taking actions. If you still think the player is taking the action, I'd like to see why you think that, as even combat maneuvers say "you" instead of "your character" when being described. The last sentence seems to imply, at least to me, that delaying or readying an action changes things specifically "[I]in every round that follows[/I]" and not the first round. In the first round, it seems implied that the character will able to take an action (clear flat-footed moments before his initiative), choose to take no actions by delaying, and then potentially acting later on. As always, play what you like :) [/QUOTE]
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