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<blockquote data-quote="Arrowhawk" data-source="post: 5628181" data-attributes="member: 6679551"><p>You really want to ride this train? </p><p> </p><p>So you think they game is telling your character he has -6 in one hand and -10 in the other? Because your charcter is definitely aware of Weapon modifiers and ability modifiers and the amount of xp he has to the decimal. But nah man, that ain't metagaming. I'm sure Rafael Nadal knows just how much XP he needs to get to the next level and how much XP he get from the last tennis match.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p>Let's look at page 8. PHB</p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: '00CelestiaAntiqua'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: '00CelestiaAntiqua'"><span style="font-family: '00Pterra'"><span style="color: #003365"><span style="font-family: '00Pterra'"><span style="color: #003365">REROLLING</span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-family: '00CelestiaAntiqua'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: '00CelestiaAntiqua'"><span style="font-family: '00Pterra'"><span style="color: #003365"></span></span></span></span></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-family: '00CelestiaAntiqua'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: '00CelestiaAntiqua'"><span style="font-family: '00Pterra'"><span style="color: #003365"></span></span></span><span style="font-family: '00CelestiaAntiqua'"></span></span></span></p><p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: '00CelestiaAntiqua'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: '00CelestiaAntiqua'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: '00CelestiaAntiqua'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: '00CelestiaAntiqua'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-size: 12px">If <strong>your</strong> scores are too low, <strong>you</strong> may scrap them and roll all six scores </span><span style="font-size: 12px">again. <strong>Your</strong> scores are considered too low if the sum of <strong>your</strong> </span><span style="font-size: 12px">modifiers (before adjustments because of race) is 0 or lower, or if </span><span style="font-size: 12px"><strong>your</strong> highest score is 13 or lower.</span></span></span></span></span></span></p></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: '00CelestiaAntiqua'"><span style="font-size: 9px"></span></span></span></span></span></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-family: '00CelestiaAntiqua'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: '00CelestiaAntiqua'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: '00CelestiaAntiqua'"><span style="font-size: 9px"></span></span></span></span></span></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-family: '00CelestiaAntiqua'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: '00CelestiaAntiqua'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: '00CelestiaAntiqua'"><span style="font-size: 9px"></span></span></span></span></span></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p><p><span style="font-family: '00CelestiaAntiqua'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: '00CelestiaAntiqua'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: '00CelestiaAntiqua'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: '00CelestiaAntiqua'"><span style="font-size: 10px">Gee, I didn't know my <em>character</em> was rolling his scores. Because it obviously can't be referring to me as a player or Arrowhawk could possibly be right about the "you" referring to the actual person in the Delay action...can't be having that so we'll just burry our head in the sand and concoct whatever nonsense we can to make sure he isn't correct. </span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: '00CelestiaAntiqua'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: '00CelestiaAntiqua'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: '00CelestiaAntiqua'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-size: 9px"></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p><p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: '00CelestiaAntiqua'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: '00CelestiaAntiqua'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: '00CelestiaAntiqua'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: '00CelestiaAntiqua'"><span style="font-size: 10px">Now if I my character can only find some dice to roll...with a 1 Strength.</span></span></p><p></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p><p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: '00CelestiaAntiqua'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: '00CelestiaAntiqua'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: '00CelestiaAntiqua'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-size: 9px"></p><p></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: '00CelestiaAntiqua'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: '00CelestiaAntiqua'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: '00CelestiaAntiqua'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: '00CelestiaAntiqua'"><span style="font-size: 10px">It's implicit by virtue of it <em>not</em> telling you when you have to make the determination. Like it's implicit that I can cross the street because the city statutes don't explicitly tell me I cannot cross the street. The Delay action also states, "you take no action."</span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: '00CelestiaAntiqua'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: '00CelestiaAntiqua'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: '00CelestiaAntiqua'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-size: 9px"></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: '00CelestiaAntiqua'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: '00CelestiaAntiqua'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: '00CelestiaAntiqua'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: '00CelestiaAntiqua'"><span style="font-size: 10px">If you voluntarily lower your Init roll....then your <em>character</em> does not have the option of action until your new Init comes up. </span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: '00CelestiaAntiqua'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: '00CelestiaAntiqua'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: '00CelestiaAntiqua'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-size: 9px"></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: '00CelestiaAntiqua'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: '00CelestiaAntiqua'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: '00CelestiaAntiqua'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-family: '00CelestiaAntiqua'">If you want to interpret that as your <em>character </em>voluntarily knowing his Init "result." Be my guest.</span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: '00CelestiaAntiqua'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: '00CelestiaAntiqua'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: '00CelestiaAntiqua'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-size: 9px"></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: '00CelestiaAntiqua'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: '00CelestiaAntiqua'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: '00CelestiaAntiqua'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-family: '00CelestiaAntiqua'"> Except that's not what it states, does it? It says you choose to Delay...and "you take no action." The first precludes the other. You don't "choose" to take no action...you choose to "voluntarily lower your initiative result" and that decision precludes your character's ability to make a decision about acting. </span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: '00CelestiaAntiqua'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: '00CelestiaAntiqua'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: '00CelestiaAntiqua'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-size: 9px"></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: '00CelestiaAntiqua'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: '00CelestiaAntiqua'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: '00CelestiaAntiqua'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-family: '00CelestiaAntiqua'">You're inferring a choice is made about taking no action when none is offered. Let me put it to you this way...what action could you possible make and still Delay? None. So if you can't take an action...becauses you chose to Delay, it is sophistry to say that you <em>chose </em>not to take an action. You never had the option to begin with...because you chose to Delay. The decision to Delay occurs before your character is is given the decision to act. Once you chose to Delay...your character was precluded from acting...."you take no action." </span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: '00CelestiaAntiqua'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: '00CelestiaAntiqua'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: '00CelestiaAntiqua'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-size: 9px"></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: '00CelestiaAntiqua'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: '00CelestiaAntiqua'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: '00CelestiaAntiqua'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-family: '00CelestiaAntiqua'">Unfortunately, d20 RAW do not offer your <em>character</em> an option to do nothing, not be flat footed, and take an action later in the round. Those three together are precluded by the rules. You get two out of the three. You choose which two you want.</span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: '00CelestiaAntiqua'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: '00CelestiaAntiqua'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: '00CelestiaAntiqua'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-size: 9px"></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: '00CelestiaAntiqua'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: '00CelestiaAntiqua'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: '00CelestiaAntiqua'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-size: 9px"></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: '00CelestiaAntiqua'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: '00CelestiaAntiqua'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: '00CelestiaAntiqua'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-family: '00CelestiaAntiqua'">As always, play what you like <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> </span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: '00CelestiaAntiqua'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: '00CelestiaAntiqua'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: '00CelestiaAntiqua'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-size: 9px"></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: '00CelestiaAntiqua'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: '00CelestiaAntiqua'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: '00CelestiaAntiqua'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-size: 9px"></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: '00CelestiaAntiqua'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: '00CelestiaAntiqua'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: '00CelestiaAntiqua'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-size: 9px"></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: '00CelestiaAntiqua'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: '00CelestiaAntiqua'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: '00CelestiaAntiqua'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-size: 9px"></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: '00CelestiaAntiqua'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: '00CelestiaAntiqua'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: '00CelestiaAntiqua'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-size: 9px"></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: '00CelestiaAntiqua'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: '00CelestiaAntiqua'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: '00CelestiaAntiqua'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-size: 9px"></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Arrowhawk, post: 5628181, member: 6679551"] You really want to ride this train? So you think they game is telling your character he has -6 in one hand and -10 in the other? Because your charcter is definitely aware of Weapon modifiers and ability modifiers and the amount of xp he has to the decimal. But nah man, that ain't metagaming. I'm sure Rafael Nadal knows just how much XP he needs to get to the next level and how much XP he get from the last tennis match. Let's look at page 8. PHB [INDENT][LEFT][FONT=00CelestiaAntiqua][SIZE=1][SIZE=3][FONT=00CelestiaAntiqua][FONT=00Pterra][COLOR=#003365][FONT=00Pterra][COLOR=#003365]REROLLING[/COLOR][/FONT][/COLOR][/FONT][/FONT][/SIZE][FONT=00CelestiaAntiqua][FONT=00Pterra][COLOR=#003365][/COLOR][/FONT][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][/LEFT][FONT=00CelestiaAntiqua][SIZE=1][FONT=00CelestiaAntiqua][FONT=00Pterra][COLOR=#003365] [/COLOR][/FONT][/FONT][FONT=00CelestiaAntiqua] [LEFT][SIZE=1][FONT=00CelestiaAntiqua][SIZE=1][FONT=00CelestiaAntiqua][SIZE=1][SIZE=3]If [B]your[/B] scores are too low, [B]you[/B] may scrap them and roll all six scores [/SIZE][SIZE=3]again. [B]Your[/B] scores are considered too low if the sum of [B]your[/B] [/SIZE][SIZE=3]modifiers (before adjustments because of race) is 0 or lower, or if [/SIZE][SIZE=3][B]your[/B] highest score is 13 or lower.[/SIZE][/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=1][FONT=00CelestiaAntiqua][SIZE=1][/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/LEFT][SIZE=1][FONT=00CelestiaAntiqua][SIZE=1] [/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT] [/INDENT][FONT=00CelestiaAntiqua][SIZE=1][FONT=00CelestiaAntiqua][SIZE=1][FONT=00CelestiaAntiqua][SIZE=1][SIZE=1][FONT=00CelestiaAntiqua][SIZE=2]Gee, I didn't know my [I]character[/I] was rolling his scores. Because it obviously can't be referring to me as a player or Arrowhawk could possibly be right about the "you" referring to the actual person in the Delay action...can't be having that so we'll just burry our head in the sand and concoct whatever nonsense we can to make sure he isn't correct. [/SIZE][/FONT] [LEFT][FONT=00CelestiaAntiqua][SIZE=2]Now if I my character can only find some dice to roll...with a 1 Strength.[/SIZE][/FONT][/LEFT] [LEFT][FONT=00CelestiaAntiqua][SIZE=2][/SIZE][/FONT][/LEFT] [FONT=00CelestiaAntiqua][SIZE=2]It's implicit by virtue of it [I]not[/I] telling you when you have to make the determination. Like it's implicit that I can cross the street because the city statutes don't explicitly tell me I cannot cross the street. The Delay action also states, "you take no action."[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=00CelestiaAntiqua][SIZE=2]If you voluntarily lower your Init roll....then your [I]character[/I] does not have the option of action until your new Init comes up. [/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=2][FONT=00CelestiaAntiqua]If you want to interpret that as your [I]character [/I]voluntarily knowing his Init "result." Be my guest.[/FONT][/SIZE] [SIZE=2][FONT=00CelestiaAntiqua] Except that's not what it states, does it? It says you choose to Delay...and "you take no action." The first precludes the other. You don't "choose" to take no action...you choose to "voluntarily lower your initiative result" and that decision precludes your character's ability to make a decision about acting. [/FONT][/SIZE] [SIZE=2][FONT=00CelestiaAntiqua]You're inferring a choice is made about taking no action when none is offered. Let me put it to you this way...what action could you possible make and still Delay? None. So if you can't take an action...becauses you chose to Delay, it is sophistry to say that you [I]chose [/I]not to take an action. You never had the option to begin with...because you chose to Delay. The decision to Delay occurs before your character is is given the decision to act. Once you chose to Delay...your character was precluded from acting...."you take no action." [/FONT][/SIZE] [SIZE=2][FONT=00CelestiaAntiqua]Unfortunately, d20 RAW do not offer your [I]character[/I] an option to do nothing, not be flat footed, and take an action later in the round. Those three together are precluded by the rules. You get two out of the three. You choose which two you want.[/FONT][/SIZE] [SIZE=2][FONT=00CelestiaAntiqua]As always, play what you like :) [/FONT][/SIZE] [/SIZE][/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT] [/QUOTE]
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