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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Saeviomagy" data-source="post: 836380" data-attributes="member: 5890">My mistake. You are correct. Originally I was comparing a leg/gla/her with a fighter 3, but I didn't think that it was quite cheesy enough, so I added a level of fighter <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />.I don't know the 'we' you're referring to. I was running by the original post of this thread, which stated that multiclassing more than one of these attracted multiclass penalties as normal.I love the idea behind these. I think someone needs to closely scrutinise the power of each of them however.On to specific complaints:The court magus seems to have an ability (apprehend the invisible thread) which goes directly against the established mechanics for a skill, and with little reason to do so. A rewrite to this ability should probably simply point out that a succesful sense motive check can ALREADY detect the influence of mind affecting magic, give some bonus to notice it, allow it to detect expired spells from within the last 24 hrs, and allow a knowledge(arcana) check to work out the exact spell.The heralds "call on lords power" doesn't really fit in with a herald to an earthbound lord.The slavemaster hands out an ability for something which has not previously been addressed. The fact that the slavemaster gets "break slave" suggests that other characters do not. I'd suggest inventing a feat which allows the use of the 'handle animal' skill against sufficiently restrained humans, and then giving the slavemaster this feat.The ratcatcher gets favoured enemy (vermin) which, unfortunately, doesn't apply to rats. Doh!Perhaps it would be better off being favoured enemy (creatures of tiny size or smaller). That would cover just about anything that could be a household pest in a magical world (ie - spiders, rats, grigs, psionic rats etc).I don't like the noble at all. Primarily because his class-based abilities are things which should be roleplaying type stuff rather than "hey, you're a noble, have some of this!".  Both intimidate and favour should merely be in flavour text, not (ex) abilities, as there are no actual mechanics to go with them, they're pure roleplaying. Noble income should go - being able to get 20 times the usual sum from a profession check is probably too good, and it encourages an adventurer to stay at home rather than adventure, which is a bad thing. Benefice should be altered so that it basically says "the noble has somewhere to hang his hat, operating costs and profits balance out".</blockquote>

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