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<blockquote data-quote="ferratus" data-source="post: 4769472" data-attributes="member: 55966"><p>I don't know, I'm not willing to do without the dwarven con bonus, too much history. They should start play with the best fortitude defense and the most hit points, and that's before we consider the duegar warlocks. I would rather make builds of paladins and battle-clerics that use wisdom, and leave the barbarians and fighters to the humans, goliaths, half-orcs, minotaurs and dragonborn.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I also am not sure why drow should be good laser clerics. The radiant powers of the invoker and clerics are really all wrong for the drow. They use darkness, poison and summoned demons after all, not pillars of fire and summoned angels. So we either need another spellcasting divine powers that fit the drow better, or we assume that drow adventurers generally aren't part of the religious establishment.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I don't see the need for tieflings to be good starlocks or feylocks. After all, they are pretty much stuffed with infernal flavour, so I'd rather make them better rogues and summoner wizards outside of being an infernal warlock. So +2 Dex/+2 Con or +2 Con/+2 Int would be my favoured choices, and I believe neither has </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>The fey gnomes pretty much have that covered already, so adding the half-elf would be a little close conceptually. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>That leaves the shifter without a barbarian option, which is weird. I'd be more inclined to make another type of shifter based on the werebear instead to be a good shaman. Con/Wis would suit a werebear shifter just fine.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I see this as a good build for a tiefling too. Good summoner wizards, good infernal warlocks, and the best build for a PH3 hybrid class of the two. If the upcoming necromancy class keyed off constitution and intelligence (which seems likely) they'd be good at that too.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ferratus, post: 4769472, member: 55966"] I don't know, I'm not willing to do without the dwarven con bonus, too much history. They should start play with the best fortitude defense and the most hit points, and that's before we consider the duegar warlocks. I would rather make builds of paladins and battle-clerics that use wisdom, and leave the barbarians and fighters to the humans, goliaths, half-orcs, minotaurs and dragonborn. I also am not sure why drow should be good laser clerics. The radiant powers of the invoker and clerics are really all wrong for the drow. They use darkness, poison and summoned demons after all, not pillars of fire and summoned angels. So we either need another spellcasting divine powers that fit the drow better, or we assume that drow adventurers generally aren't part of the religious establishment. I don't see the need for tieflings to be good starlocks or feylocks. After all, they are pretty much stuffed with infernal flavour, so I'd rather make them better rogues and summoner wizards outside of being an infernal warlock. So +2 Dex/+2 Con or +2 Con/+2 Int would be my favoured choices, and I believe neither has The fey gnomes pretty much have that covered already, so adding the half-elf would be a little close conceptually. That leaves the shifter without a barbarian option, which is weird. I'd be more inclined to make another type of shifter based on the werebear instead to be a good shaman. Con/Wis would suit a werebear shifter just fine. I see this as a good build for a tiefling too. Good summoner wizards, good infernal warlocks, and the best build for a PH3 hybrid class of the two. If the upcoming necromancy class keyed off constitution and intelligence (which seems likely) they'd be good at that too. [/QUOTE]
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