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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Belen" data-source="post: 1356013" data-attributes="member: 1405">Wow...condescending 101....Not once did I ever advocate having players slog it through the mud all the time.  However, it is fun to use such things as a character or story building concept.The challenges do not really increase either.  More HD and more damage, maybe, heck, better tactics too, but high level abilities in 3e tend to be about numbers alone.  Describe it to your heart's content, but there is still no meaning.However, selective use of "penalties" can make a game really meaningful.  No, you do not do it ALL the time, but you can do it some of the time for cool adventure hooks.You must have been burned in the past by "penalties."  Understandable.Alluding to a lack of GM skill in a game you've never played is highly presumtuous, or maybe it is easier to act like a jerk when you do not have to face someone.</blockquote>