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<blockquote data-quote="buzzard" data-source="post: 1360497" data-attributes="member: 3003"><p>If ever I have seen a perfect example of 'pot calling the kettle black' it is here. Not only did you start the insults, you have been more severe and persistant- yet you think it's his fault? What color is the sky in your world?</p><p></p><p>Though to get back to topic- the game is rather more videogame like than pervious editions. I can accept that, and I don't really find it to be objectionable. </p><p></p><p>You know I rather like playing a character who doesn't get mutilated and remain that way. I guess that's a videogamey attitude. I rather just like playing to have fun. </p><p></p><p>Which has more sales the RPG industry or the videogame industry? </p><p>If you were trying to market something in the (oh the humanity!) attempt to make money, what course would you take? Cater to a small, and not terribly dynamic niche market, or would you try to grow a market segment by adopting traits of a successful product category? </p><p></p><p>I'd say it is self evident as to what WoTC did. I certainly don't fault them for it. Keep in mind the sucess of 3rd Ed was such with the D20 license that many other compatable worlds have been spawned which do cater to different flavors. </p><p></p><p>Now as for players whining about flavor changes- I have to sympathize with BelenUmeria. I'm playing in a game which has just started and is in a world of the DM's creation. The magic system is completely different from stock D&D (and since I'm the rules junkie the DM decided to let me cook it up). I worked with the guy who is actually playing the wizard to develop the new system, so he's OK with it, and finds it to be cool. I still have the expand the spell list some more, but it will happen. One player, however, just won't stop complaining about the new spellcasting. I find this extremely irritating since he isn't even playing the caster. </p><p></p><p> He seems to have an inherent beef with D&D though, so I don't know if his whining counts under flavor whining. He appears to be a disgruntled Rolemaster player who hates the world because nobody wants to play his game. </p><p></p><p>buzzard</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="buzzard, post: 1360497, member: 3003"] If ever I have seen a perfect example of 'pot calling the kettle black' it is here. Not only did you start the insults, you have been more severe and persistant- yet you think it's his fault? What color is the sky in your world? Though to get back to topic- the game is rather more videogame like than pervious editions. I can accept that, and I don't really find it to be objectionable. You know I rather like playing a character who doesn't get mutilated and remain that way. I guess that's a videogamey attitude. I rather just like playing to have fun. Which has more sales the RPG industry or the videogame industry? If you were trying to market something in the (oh the humanity!) attempt to make money, what course would you take? Cater to a small, and not terribly dynamic niche market, or would you try to grow a market segment by adopting traits of a successful product category? I'd say it is self evident as to what WoTC did. I certainly don't fault them for it. Keep in mind the sucess of 3rd Ed was such with the D20 license that many other compatable worlds have been spawned which do cater to different flavors. Now as for players whining about flavor changes- I have to sympathize with BelenUmeria. I'm playing in a game which has just started and is in a world of the DM's creation. The magic system is completely different from stock D&D (and since I'm the rules junkie the DM decided to let me cook it up). I worked with the guy who is actually playing the wizard to develop the new system, so he's OK with it, and finds it to be cool. I still have the expand the spell list some more, but it will happen. One player, however, just won't stop complaining about the new spellcasting. I find this extremely irritating since he isn't even playing the caster. He seems to have an inherent beef with D&D though, so I don't know if his whining counts under flavor whining. He appears to be a disgruntled Rolemaster player who hates the world because nobody wants to play his game. buzzard [/QUOTE]
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