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<blockquote data-quote="GlaziusF" data-source="post: 4462869" data-attributes="member: 74166"><p>I'm taking his statement to be nonsensical, like a guy wondering whether he should eat just food or whether he should eat just vegetables. No matter what you're doing you're eating food!</p><p></p><p>Actually it's even worse than that and I'm not sure how to analogize it so here it is straight. There is no human fundamentally opposed to stories. There is no human fundamentally opposed to fun. Stories are what we tell to others and ourselves ALL THE TIME, and fun - or if you'd rather, satisfaction - is what we try to have ALL THE TIME. So being worried about whether you should try to tell a story or whether you should just try to have fun is completely at odds with the nature of a) stories b) fun c) humanity <u>d) all of the above</u>.</p><p></p><p>And the most important thing for telling a collaborative story in a manner that's fun for everyone involved is to have a common social contract with a specified means of conflict resolution, a.k.a. DA RULEZ.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Yes, but statements ABOUT your personal preference can very easily be proven right or wrong. If I say "you know what I hate more than anything else? Red. I would eliminate red from the face of this earth, had I the power" and then you follow me for a day and I wear a red shirt and red pants, drive a red car, wear red-tinted sunglasses, work in a red building with red walls and red carpets, and spend my entire day putting a second coat of red paint on things that have already been painted red just to make sure they're <strong>really</strong> red and the entire time I'm smiling, whistling and laughing, there are two possible conclusions: either that statement about my personal preference was wrong or we aren't sharing the same reality. Perhaps I am red-green colorblind and green is my favorite color in the world. And then you can ask me "what color is your shirt?" and clear up that confusion.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>But let's say I'm a chef and I cook with both chocolate and avocados. If I share my best chocolate recipe with you and you like the taste of it, is it somehow unreasonable to also offer you a bite of my best avocado recipe? Is it unreasonable for you to take it? After all, perhaps you don't like avocados because of the way they've been prepared, and perhaps you'll like them the way I can prepare them, and discover a new and delicious food! </p><p></p><p>There are several things you can say that are reasonable, of course. "I'm violently allergic to avocados" so even one bite WILL be harmful. "I tried that recipe already" so this approach won't convince you. "That's what you said about the LAST best avocado recipe LAST week" so all my arguments are less credible.</p><p></p><p>But personal preference is based on experience, and all experience is limited.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I tend to follow more "love me or hate me, but spare me your indifference". Or if you really rather, I'm trying to figure out what things to say so that people become interested in having an argument with me, but don't get the impression that I'm trying not to argue in good faith. </p><p></p><p>And if somebody does get that impression and respond in that way, that too is a lesson and I'm going to try to figure out what I said that prompted that distrust so I can figure out how not to do it again.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="GlaziusF, post: 4462869, member: 74166"] I'm taking his statement to be nonsensical, like a guy wondering whether he should eat just food or whether he should eat just vegetables. No matter what you're doing you're eating food! Actually it's even worse than that and I'm not sure how to analogize it so here it is straight. There is no human fundamentally opposed to stories. There is no human fundamentally opposed to fun. Stories are what we tell to others and ourselves ALL THE TIME, and fun - or if you'd rather, satisfaction - is what we try to have ALL THE TIME. So being worried about whether you should try to tell a story or whether you should just try to have fun is completely at odds with the nature of a) stories b) fun c) humanity [u]d) all of the above[/u]. And the most important thing for telling a collaborative story in a manner that's fun for everyone involved is to have a common social contract with a specified means of conflict resolution, a.k.a. DA RULEZ. Yes, but statements ABOUT your personal preference can very easily be proven right or wrong. If I say "you know what I hate more than anything else? Red. I would eliminate red from the face of this earth, had I the power" and then you follow me for a day and I wear a red shirt and red pants, drive a red car, wear red-tinted sunglasses, work in a red building with red walls and red carpets, and spend my entire day putting a second coat of red paint on things that have already been painted red just to make sure they're [b]really[/b] red and the entire time I'm smiling, whistling and laughing, there are two possible conclusions: either that statement about my personal preference was wrong or we aren't sharing the same reality. Perhaps I am red-green colorblind and green is my favorite color in the world. And then you can ask me "what color is your shirt?" and clear up that confusion. But let's say I'm a chef and I cook with both chocolate and avocados. If I share my best chocolate recipe with you and you like the taste of it, is it somehow unreasonable to also offer you a bite of my best avocado recipe? Is it unreasonable for you to take it? After all, perhaps you don't like avocados because of the way they've been prepared, and perhaps you'll like them the way I can prepare them, and discover a new and delicious food! There are several things you can say that are reasonable, of course. "I'm violently allergic to avocados" so even one bite WILL be harmful. "I tried that recipe already" so this approach won't convince you. "That's what you said about the LAST best avocado recipe LAST week" so all my arguments are less credible. But personal preference is based on experience, and all experience is limited. I tend to follow more "love me or hate me, but spare me your indifference". Or if you really rather, I'm trying to figure out what things to say so that people become interested in having an argument with me, but don't get the impression that I'm trying not to argue in good faith. And if somebody does get that impression and respond in that way, that too is a lesson and I'm going to try to figure out what I said that prompted that distrust so I can figure out how not to do it again. [/QUOTE]
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