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<blockquote data-quote="MerricB" data-source="post: 4465310" data-attributes="member: 3586">But, and this is a big point, in 1e-3e, any &quot;damage&quot; a fighter took was also &quot;not real&quot; until they were actually rendered unconscious... a loss of hit points had no effect on how they fought, which one must admit is a very gamist construction.Narratively, the actual definition of hit points in all editions has mostly been up to the individual DM. We assume most of them are fake damage: divine grace used up, minor scratches and bruising and the like. This hasn't changed in 4e.I do agree with anyone who thinks all healing overnight completely ignores simulation in favour of gamist expedience - I'm not quite in favour of it myself, although I appreciate how it makes certain games (quest ones where a time factor is an issue) run smoother, especially when a cleric isn't available. I've been playing Star Wars Saga Edition recently, and the inability for non-Jedi characters to heal is a major problem in the game. If you get unlucky and get shot... well, it stops the ongoing game in its tracks.Cheers!</blockquote>

[QUOTE="MerricB, post: 4465310, member: 3586"] But, and this is a big point, in 1e-3e, any "damage" a fighter took was also "not real" until they were actually rendered unconscious... a loss of hit points had no effect on how they fought, which one must admit is a very gamist construction. Narratively, the actual definition of hit points in all editions has mostly been up to the individual DM. We assume most of them are fake damage: divine grace used up, minor scratches and bruising and the like. This hasn't changed in 4e. I do agree with anyone who thinks all healing overnight completely ignores simulation in favour of gamist expedience - I'm not quite in favour of it myself, although I appreciate how it makes certain games (quest ones where a time factor is an issue) run smoother, especially when a cleric isn't available. I've been playing Star Wars Saga Edition recently, and the inability for non-Jedi characters to heal is a major problem in the game. If you get unlucky and get shot... well, it stops the ongoing game in its tracks. Cheers! [/QUOTE]

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