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<blockquote data-quote="cwhs01" data-source="post: 4471561" data-attributes="member: 18388">Pretty much<img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />But even with the explanation, i don't really get why people accept HP without healing surges and don't accept HP with healing surges.i get it that the 3.x hp model, you can describe wounds as they are being dealt (5 HP is a shallow wound to a 100 HP fighter, a deep stab in the gut for a low con wizard etc.). But if the aim is realism/believability, why then ignore any game mechanical penalties? If the wound is lifethreatening, shouldn't it incur penalties beyond the PC expressing a wish to have his character flee from combat? even a wound that wasn't lifethreatening could reasonably be expected to affect the character. IMO HP are problematic unless you accept it as a gamist construct, and narate HP loss as minor cuts and bruises until the final HP loss that kills the character. And IMO its a small step from accepting that PC's don't ever get severely wounded until they get killed, and to accepting that they have gods watching over them/luck/willpower/moxie enogh to soldier on despite being heavily wounded. Which could happen if a 4e character getting up after being hit into the negatives and rolling a 20 on the death save. This, coupled with acceptance that we aren't attempting to model anything but DnD fantasy, should be enough to accept any HP model of any edition. IMO etc<img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></blockquote>

[QUOTE="cwhs01, post: 4471561, member: 18388"] Pretty much:) But even with the explanation, i don't really get why people accept HP without healing surges and don't accept HP with healing surges. i get it that the 3.x hp model, you can describe wounds as they are being dealt (5 HP is a shallow wound to a 100 HP fighter, a deep stab in the gut for a low con wizard etc.). But if the aim is realism/believability, why then ignore any game mechanical penalties? If the wound is lifethreatening, shouldn't it incur penalties beyond the PC expressing a wish to have his character flee from combat? even a wound that wasn't lifethreatening could reasonably be expected to affect the character. IMO HP are problematic unless you accept it as a gamist construct, and narate HP loss as minor cuts and bruises until the final HP loss that kills the character. And IMO its a small step from accepting that PC's don't ever get severely wounded until they get killed, and to accepting that they have gods watching over them/luck/willpower/moxie enogh to soldier on despite being heavily wounded. Which could happen if a 4e character getting up after being hit into the negatives and rolling a 20 on the death save. This, coupled with acceptance that we aren't attempting to model anything but DnD fantasy, should be enough to accept any HP model of any edition. IMO etc:) [/QUOTE]

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