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<blockquote data-quote="pemerton" data-source="post: 4482666" data-attributes="member: 42582">What I'm getting from this is that you have no objection to non-divine-healing-generated recovery - as it is possible in 3E, as per the example you give from the Paizo boards - but that you don't like the idea that it is ordinary rather than miraculous. (I'm not sure I agree that 3E makes it miraculous - the DC to stabilise someone with a non-magical Heal check is only 15, after all - but that's another matter.)If that is correct then there is a way of handling it in 4e without the retconning/Black Knight-isms. But it does require divorcing ingame causation and probability from the rules.The way is this: narrate the use of a healing surge in such a situation as a miracle. Of course, the mechanics don't make it especially improbable. But that doesn't mean that it can't be treated as miraculous in the gameworld.If this sort of narration isn't carefully handled it does run the risk of the gonzo-ism I've discussed above. I think that this lurking threat of gonzo is inherent to 4e. It's not at all oriented towards gritty, I don't think.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="pemerton, post: 4482666, member: 42582"] What I'm getting from this is that you have no objection to non-divine-healing-generated recovery - as it is possible in 3E, as per the example you give from the Paizo boards - but that you don't like the idea that it is ordinary rather than miraculous. (I'm not sure I agree that 3E makes it miraculous - the DC to stabilise someone with a non-magical Heal check is only 15, after all - but that's another matter.) If that is correct then there is a way of handling it in 4e without the retconning/Black Knight-isms. But it does require divorcing ingame causation and probability from the rules. The way is this: narrate the use of a healing surge in such a situation as a miracle. Of course, the mechanics don't make it especially improbable. But that doesn't mean that it can't be treated as miraculous in the gameworld. If this sort of narration isn't carefully handled it does run the risk of the gonzo-ism I've discussed above. I think that this lurking threat of gonzo is inherent to 4e. It's not at all oriented towards gritty, I don't think. [/QUOTE]

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