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<blockquote data-quote="snickersnax" data-source="post: 7143426" data-attributes="member: 6888204"><p>I've been working through my house rules and decided that skills with different abilities made a lot of sense to me. The main idea is that there are some skills that work well with multiple stats. Here is what I have so far. Any other ideas?</p><p></p><p><span style="color: #0000ff">Blue </span><span style="color: #000000">for changes or additions to RAW </span><span style="color: #000000">variant</span></p><p></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Strength:</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></span><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"> Athletics: Grappling and Shoving are Strength(Athletics) checks and can be contested </span></span><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">by Strength (Athletics) </span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"> </span></span><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Intimidation: Strength(Intimidation) can be used to Intimidate</span></span><span style="color: #0000ff"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"> or to contest Intimidation</span></span><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"> (the classic example is two giants comparing their place in the Ordning... the intimidation phase takes</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"> place before and maybe instead of an actual Strength contest (see MM Frost Giant)</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Dexterity:</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"> Acrobatics: </span></span><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Grappling and Shoving are Strength(Athletics) </span></span><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">checks</span></span><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"> and can be contested by Dexterity (Acrobatics)</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"> </span></span><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Sleight of Hand: contested by Wisdom (Perception)</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"> </span></span><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Stealth: contested by Wisdom (Perception)</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"> </span></span><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Performance: stringed instrument </span></span><span style="color: #0000ff"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">and drumming</span></span><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"> are Dexterity (Performance).</span></span><span style="color: #0000ff"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"> d</span></span><span style="color: #0000FF"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">ancing is a Dexterity (Performance) check</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"> </span></span><span style="color: #0000ff"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Intimidation: Dexterity (Intimidation) can be used to Intimidate or to contest Intimidation (</span></span><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">sometimes it works ..sometimes it doesn't... </span></span>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5eqNp8eYp0<span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"> </span></span> )</p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Constitution:</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"> </span></span><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Constitution (Athletics) is used for endurance checks</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"> </span></span><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Constitution<span style="color: #0000ff"> (Intimidation) can be used to Intimidate or to contest Intimidation </span><span style="color: #000000">( Showing off scars or damaging yourself is a </span><span style="color: #000000">classical way to intimidate your opponent and prove that you don't care</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: #000000"> about pain. Trolls are really good at this type of intimidation in my world)</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Intelligence:</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"> Arcana, History, Nature, Religion: I think there may be a great opportunity here for an intelligence buff to prepared spells for all classes, but that is a story for another thread</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></span><span style="color: #0000FF"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"> Deception: Intelligence (Deception) can be used to </span></span><span style="color: #0000FF"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Deceive</span></span><span style="color: #0000FF"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"> or to contest a Deception. Intelligence is already used for fooling people with forgeries and disguises, it can be used for elaborate stories as well.</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #0000FF"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #0000ff"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Medicine: can use Intelligence (Medicine) for a Medicine check. Smart people usually make the best doctors, wisdom is for healers...</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #0000ff"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Intimidation: Intelligence can be used to Intimidate or to contest Intimidate (If you're going to try to make an ogre feel like an idiot, he's going to contest with a strength (intimidate) so you better be ready for a throw down)</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Wisdom</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"> No changes</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Charisma:</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"> </span></span><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Deception:</span></span><span style="color: #0000ff"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"> countered by Intelligence (Investigation or Deception)</span></span><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"> or Wisdom (Insight or </span></span><span style="color: #0000FF"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Deception) or Charisma (Deception) ( You can't kid a kidder)</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"> </span></span><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Intimidation: countered by Wisdom (Insight) or</span></span><span style="color: #0000ff"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"> Charisma (Intimidation) or</span><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"> Strength(Intimidation) or Dexterity (Intimidation) or Intelligence (Intimidation) or Constitution </span><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">(Intimidation)</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"> </span></span><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Persuasion: countered by Wisdom (Insight) or</span></span><span style="color: #0000ff"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"> Charisma (Persuasion) </span></span><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"> </span></span></p><p><span style="color: #0000ff"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"> Animal Handling: can use Charisma (Animal Handling) instead of Wisdom (animal handling) - persuasion for beasts</span></span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="snickersnax, post: 7143426, member: 6888204"] I've been working through my house rules and decided that skills with different abilities made a lot of sense to me. The main idea is that there are some skills that work well with multiple stats. Here is what I have so far. Any other ideas? [COLOR=#0000ff]Blue [/COLOR][COLOR=#000000]for changes or additions to RAW [/COLOR][COLOR=#000000]variant[/COLOR] [COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial]Strength: [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial] Athletics: Grappling and Shoving are Strength(Athletics) checks and can be contested [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial]by Strength (Athletics) [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial]Intimidation: Strength(Intimidation) can be used to Intimidate[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#0000ff][FONT=Arial] or to contest Intimidation[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial] (the classic example is two giants comparing their place in the Ordning... the intimidation phase takes place before and maybe instead of an actual Strength contest (see MM Frost Giant)[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial]Dexterity: Acrobatics: [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial]Grappling and Shoving are Strength(Athletics) [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial]checks[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial] and can be contested by Dexterity (Acrobatics)[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial]Sleight of Hand: contested by Wisdom (Perception)[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial]Stealth: contested by Wisdom (Perception)[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial]Performance: stringed instrument [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#0000ff][FONT=Arial]and drumming[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial] are Dexterity (Performance).[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#0000ff][FONT=Arial] d[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#0000FF][FONT=Arial]ancing is a Dexterity (Performance) check[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#0000ff][FONT=Arial]Intimidation: Dexterity (Intimidation) can be used to Intimidate or to contest Intimidation ([/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial]sometimes it works ..sometimes it doesn't... [/FONT][/COLOR]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5eqNp8eYp0[COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial] [/FONT][/COLOR] ) [COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial]Constitution:[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial]Constitution (Athletics) is used for endurance checks[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial] [/FONT][/COLOR][FONT=Arial]Constitution[COLOR=#0000ff] (Intimidation) can be used to Intimidate or to contest Intimidation [/COLOR][COLOR=#000000]( Showing off scars or damaging yourself is a [/COLOR][COLOR=#000000]classical way to intimidate your opponent and prove that you don't care about pain. Trolls are really good at this type of intimidation in my world)[/COLOR][/FONT] [COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial]Intelligence: Arcana, History, Nature, Religion: I think there may be a great opportunity here for an intelligence buff to prepared spells for all classes, but that is a story for another thread [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#0000FF][FONT=Arial] Deception: Intelligence (Deception) can be used to [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#0000FF][FONT=Arial]Deceive[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#0000FF][FONT=Arial] or to contest a Deception. Intelligence is already used for fooling people with forgeries and disguises, it can be used for elaborate stories as well. [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#0000ff][FONT=Arial]Medicine: can use Intelligence (Medicine) for a Medicine check. Smart people usually make the best doctors, wisdom is for healers...[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#0000ff][FONT=Arial]Intimidation: Intelligence can be used to Intimidate or to contest Intimidate (If you're going to try to make an ogre feel like an idiot, he's going to contest with a strength (intimidate) so you better be ready for a throw down)[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial]Wisdom[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial] No changes[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial]Charisma:[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial]Deception:[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#0000ff][FONT=Arial] countered by Intelligence (Investigation or Deception)[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial] or Wisdom (Insight or [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#0000FF][FONT=Arial]Deception) or Charisma (Deception) ( You can't kid a kidder)[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial]Intimidation: countered by Wisdom (Insight) or[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#0000ff][FONT=Arial] Charisma (Intimidation) or[/FONT][FONT=Arial] Strength(Intimidation) or Dexterity (Intimidation) or Intelligence (Intimidation) or Constitution [/FONT][FONT=Arial](Intimidation)[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial]Persuasion: countered by Wisdom (Insight) or[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#0000ff][FONT=Arial] Charisma (Persuasion) [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial] [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#0000ff][FONT=Arial] Animal Handling: can use Charisma (Animal Handling) instead of Wisdom (animal handling) - persuasion for beasts[/FONT][/COLOR] [/QUOTE]
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