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<blockquote data-quote="Luminita" data-source="post: 1937834" data-attributes="member: 25200"><p>I see the reasoning in both above, and thank you for the posts. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> </p><p></p><p>I still have a hard time agreeing with the fact that avariel get a special ability to fly when other flying creatures that can be used as PC races get no such special consideration. It's stated in the race info that avariel wear no or light armor only to prevent inhibiting their flight/wings. The character in question that I'm dealing with is a druid. The options for armor are limited to begin with. And this character doesn't just carry 1 weapon. No. When I say she carries a virtual armory, I'm not joking. And she does not have a haversack, or bag of holding, only her pack and her body. A stave, a machete, five swords (all scimitars), then there's the robes and all the miscellaneous things like tent, bedrolls, sling stones, etc. a myriad of potions, and approximately 20K in gold. After checking, her load goes pretty much up to the very limit of medium for her Str if not slightly over and that's not wearing armor. The contention was that she was flying effortlessly with that load and carrying around a 160 lb woman in her arms while doing it.</p><p></p><p>For example: In Races of Faerun, same manual that contains the avariel, there are two other winged playable races. </p><p></p><p>Kir-Lanan. Fly speed 90 with good manueverability. +4 racial Str bonus. Yet no special ability to fly while bearing a med load.</p><p></p><p>Arakocra: Fly speed 90, average manueverability. No special provision for flying with a med load.</p><p></p><p>Not in RoF, but also playable, is the pixie or sprite. They don't get an option for this either, so I don't understand why one particular race should be singled out for preferential treatment as pertains to flight. Shouldn't all flighted, humanoid playable races get such a benefit so they can use med armor as well? If the idea is that they might have done this so that avariel can use med armor, then it makes little sense that the racial info would state that avariel avoid using anything but light armor because it interferes with their flight.</p><p></p><p>I think my main reason for disliking such a huge boost to the avariel is that flight is already a pretty powerful battle mechanism, and complicated to DM, and this just gives a race that's already advantaged over the enemy even more of an edge than before. (Also, I'm not really fond of using avariel as PC's since they're supposed to be extremely rare to start with. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue :p" data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":p" /> )</p><p></p><p>Thanks all, I'll take it up with some of my co-DM's and see what they have to say about the situation based on the very helpful info given. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> Likely, to keep flighted races on an even keel, the house rule will be no creature can carry aloft a med load and maintain their full performance.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Luminita, post: 1937834, member: 25200"] I see the reasoning in both above, and thank you for the posts. :) I still have a hard time agreeing with the fact that avariel get a special ability to fly when other flying creatures that can be used as PC races get no such special consideration. It's stated in the race info that avariel wear no or light armor only to prevent inhibiting their flight/wings. The character in question that I'm dealing with is a druid. The options for armor are limited to begin with. And this character doesn't just carry 1 weapon. No. When I say she carries a virtual armory, I'm not joking. And she does not have a haversack, or bag of holding, only her pack and her body. A stave, a machete, five swords (all scimitars), then there's the robes and all the miscellaneous things like tent, bedrolls, sling stones, etc. a myriad of potions, and approximately 20K in gold. After checking, her load goes pretty much up to the very limit of medium for her Str if not slightly over and that's not wearing armor. The contention was that she was flying effortlessly with that load and carrying around a 160 lb woman in her arms while doing it. For example: In Races of Faerun, same manual that contains the avariel, there are two other winged playable races. Kir-Lanan. Fly speed 90 with good manueverability. +4 racial Str bonus. Yet no special ability to fly while bearing a med load. Arakocra: Fly speed 90, average manueverability. No special provision for flying with a med load. Not in RoF, but also playable, is the pixie or sprite. They don't get an option for this either, so I don't understand why one particular race should be singled out for preferential treatment as pertains to flight. Shouldn't all flighted, humanoid playable races get such a benefit so they can use med armor as well? If the idea is that they might have done this so that avariel can use med armor, then it makes little sense that the racial info would state that avariel avoid using anything but light armor because it interferes with their flight. I think my main reason for disliking such a huge boost to the avariel is that flight is already a pretty powerful battle mechanism, and complicated to DM, and this just gives a race that's already advantaged over the enemy even more of an edge than before. (Also, I'm not really fond of using avariel as PC's since they're supposed to be extremely rare to start with. :p ) Thanks all, I'll take it up with some of my co-DM's and see what they have to say about the situation based on the very helpful info given. :) Likely, to keep flighted races on an even keel, the house rule will be no creature can carry aloft a med load and maintain their full performance. [/QUOTE]
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