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<blockquote data-quote="Grog" data-source="post: 3722487" data-attributes="member: 6183"><p>Attacks don't usually target more than one enemy at a time.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Not always. Lots of spells have no effect if the enemy makes their saving throw. But at least, if one enemy made their save, others might fail. Or vice-versa.</p><p></p><p>The problem with a spellcaster making a single attack roll to target a group of enemies is that it's all or nothing, and both options cause big problems. In 1st, 2nd, or 3rd edition, if you cast a Confusion spell on a group of six enemies, and three failed their saving throws, your party members still had to deal with the other three enemies (maybe with a little help from the confused ones, but they were still a threat). Under this system, if a wizard casts a Confusion spell on a group of six enemies, he either wins the fight with one spell, or accomplishes absolutely nothing. The former is no fun for the rest of the party, and the latter is no fun for the wizard. This is a problem.</p><p></p><p>And another problem is when these kinds of spells get cast on the players. If an enemy wizard casts Confusion on the party, all it takes is one lucky roll on the DM's part and it's a TPK. In 3E, it would have taken four unlucky rolls to make that happen - much less likely.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Grog, post: 3722487, member: 6183"] Attacks don't usually target more than one enemy at a time. Not always. Lots of spells have no effect if the enemy makes their saving throw. But at least, if one enemy made their save, others might fail. Or vice-versa. The problem with a spellcaster making a single attack roll to target a group of enemies is that it's all or nothing, and both options cause big problems. In 1st, 2nd, or 3rd edition, if you cast a Confusion spell on a group of six enemies, and three failed their saving throws, your party members still had to deal with the other three enemies (maybe with a little help from the confused ones, but they were still a threat). Under this system, if a wizard casts a Confusion spell on a group of six enemies, he either wins the fight with one spell, or accomplishes absolutely nothing. The former is no fun for the rest of the party, and the latter is no fun for the wizard. This is a problem. And another problem is when these kinds of spells get cast on the players. If an enemy wizard casts Confusion on the party, all it takes is one lucky roll on the DM's part and it's a TPK. In 3E, it would have taken four unlucky rolls to make that happen - much less likely. [/QUOTE]
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