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<blockquote data-quote="Jay Verkuilen" data-source="post: 7749197" data-attributes="member: 6873517">Yes I very much agree. I'm kinda sorta simulationsist, though not a hard core one. This is especially true when it comes to world design, which I always felt was the weakest part of 4E. It didn't have an economy I could follow, for instance. It was super gamist---witness how little detail was presented in the original Monster Manual as an example, just stats---and then the adventure designs were a mix of gamist and narrativist, with essentially no simulation or world-building at all. They didn't even bother to lay out their world, though they constantly mentioned Nerath and its backstory!In many respects, I think your quote really clarifies for me what I really just didn't like about about 4E. It didn't check one of my own key boxes and tended to get bogged down in aspects I didn't much care for. A good group could get past that, of course. I played some 4E that was a lot of fun, absolutely. I really never liked much liked running it.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Jay Verkuilen, post: 7749197, member: 6873517"] Yes I very much agree. I'm kinda sorta simulationsist, though not a hard core one. This is especially true when it comes to world design, which I always felt was the weakest part of 4E. It didn't have an economy I could follow, for instance. It was super gamist---witness how little detail was presented in the original [I]Monster Manual[/I] as an example, just stats---and then the adventure designs were a mix of gamist and narrativist, with essentially no simulation or world-building at all. They didn't even bother to lay out their world, though they constantly mentioned Nerath and its backstory! In many respects, I think your quote really clarifies for me what I really just didn't like about about 4E. It didn't check one of my own key boxes and tended to get bogged down in aspects I didn't much care for. A good group could get past that, of course. I played some 4E that was a lot of fun, absolutely. I really never liked much liked running it. [/QUOTE]

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