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<blockquote data-quote="ClaytonCross" data-source="post: 7351688" data-attributes="member: 6880599"><p>[MENTION=6799753]lowkey13[/MENTION]</p><p></p><p>I am not tracking the lack of respect.... I am just suggesting a counter point in a conversation for a different point of view.</p><p></p><p>With everything you said, all your posts start from the Cleric breaking is vow to his Deity. My point is that is not the case if your starting as an unwilling or repenting Warlock at level 1. This is in no way a contrast to, "<em>In my group, the idea of "designing out" a character is anathema. You start at level one, and things happen from there. I prefer an emergent story</em>"... Your just a warlock that realizes you made a mistake and is looking for a way out of it. So from the perspective of emergency having personal goals is not a problem, it just good practice to develop investment and to have something to drive the motives of your character. I never said you had to plan to be Cleric or a Paladin (which I know you would never do) but it does make since if you have dark power of unknown origin and you have one in your group like I do for example you MIGHT look to them for guidance on a path to shield your self from the darkness.</p><p></p><p>I NEVER planed or wanted to cross class into Cleric. It has become a rising theme that my character is treated as evil though he doesn't really understand what happened to him as a his background was that he was held captive and experimented on by the cult we are hunting. That is why my character is hunting them and what draws me into the party as well as revenge for them killing my father in the same experiments. Our leader is a paladin of Thor who swore vengeance against the same cult when they wiped out almost all of his town capturing test subject. So my character is level 6 now and beginning to understand he is not just suddenly magical... this is something the put into him... draining from some old dark source (The Old One). It scares him but at the same time he was a farmer before so he is using what he has to fight while looking for some way to resit the darkness and be useful.... so he is turning to faith in Thor via the guidance of his leader....</p><p></p><p>---So you are talking to me about me being disrespectful... when that was not or is not my intent... while righting me off with condescending remarks and not actually looking at what I had to say. I get that I am weird but there is nothing in inherently disrespectful about it. ... Your statement comes across in writing as a personal attack. No I may have said something that you READ that way, but as the Author I can assure you that was not my intention. So If I wrote something "disrespectful" other than my point of view in trying to point out your argument does not cover all cases so FOR ME does not track that warlocks and clerics can never multi-class (which is the topic of this thread we are discussing) ... then please highlight it, send it back to me, and give me a chance to clarify in case you read it with inflection and connotation I didn't intend before calling me disrespectful... I have tried reading it multiple ways but it is simple a personal attack no matter the inflection or connotation I try to use. If I am wrong... please explain it to me, with the respect we are both asking for.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ClaytonCross, post: 7351688, member: 6880599"] [MENTION=6799753]lowkey13[/MENTION] I am not tracking the lack of respect.... I am just suggesting a counter point in a conversation for a different point of view. With everything you said, all your posts start from the Cleric breaking is vow to his Deity. My point is that is not the case if your starting as an unwilling or repenting Warlock at level 1. This is in no way a contrast to, "[I]In my group, the idea of "designing out" a character is anathema. You start at level one, and things happen from there. I prefer an emergent story[/I]"... Your just a warlock that realizes you made a mistake and is looking for a way out of it. So from the perspective of emergency having personal goals is not a problem, it just good practice to develop investment and to have something to drive the motives of your character. I never said you had to plan to be Cleric or a Paladin (which I know you would never do) but it does make since if you have dark power of unknown origin and you have one in your group like I do for example you MIGHT look to them for guidance on a path to shield your self from the darkness. I NEVER planed or wanted to cross class into Cleric. It has become a rising theme that my character is treated as evil though he doesn't really understand what happened to him as a his background was that he was held captive and experimented on by the cult we are hunting. That is why my character is hunting them and what draws me into the party as well as revenge for them killing my father in the same experiments. Our leader is a paladin of Thor who swore vengeance against the same cult when they wiped out almost all of his town capturing test subject. So my character is level 6 now and beginning to understand he is not just suddenly magical... this is something the put into him... draining from some old dark source (The Old One). It scares him but at the same time he was a farmer before so he is using what he has to fight while looking for some way to resit the darkness and be useful.... so he is turning to faith in Thor via the guidance of his leader.... ---So you are talking to me about me being disrespectful... when that was not or is not my intent... while righting me off with condescending remarks and not actually looking at what I had to say. I get that I am weird but there is nothing in inherently disrespectful about it. ... Your statement comes across in writing as a personal attack. No I may have said something that you READ that way, but as the Author I can assure you that was not my intention. So If I wrote something "disrespectful" other than my point of view in trying to point out your argument does not cover all cases so FOR ME does not track that warlocks and clerics can never multi-class (which is the topic of this thread we are discussing) ... then please highlight it, send it back to me, and give me a chance to clarify in case you read it with inflection and connotation I didn't intend before calling me disrespectful... I have tried reading it multiple ways but it is simple a personal attack no matter the inflection or connotation I try to use. If I am wrong... please explain it to me, with the respect we are both asking for. [/QUOTE]
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