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<blockquote data-quote="Artoomis" data-source="post: 1402859" data-attributes="member: 111">
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<li data-xf-list-type="ul">My goodness that a rather technical view of the difference between a &quot;strike&quot; and an &quot;attack.&quot;&nbsp; I don't think that difference is really supported by the rules, but at least I understand where you are coming from.</li>
</ul>&quot;Starting a grapple require a successful melee attack roll.&quot;&nbsp; Hard to imagine how a successful attack roll with a Flurry is not a &quot;successful attack roll.&quot;Okay, but other than limited the weapons used, how is it different from simply getting more attacks?&nbsp; I don't think the monk description really supports a difference.First, there is no different between &quot;strike&quot; and &quot;attack.&quot; Strike is an undefined term in D&amp;D, so that we must assume that it is meant in a non-technical sense.&nbsp; As evidence, I present the fact that the words &quot;strike&quot; and &quot;attacks&quot; are used nearly alternately - a common technique in writing to avoid too much word repetition.&nbsp; I think that's all that's going on here with the word &quot;strike.&quot;As further evidence of that, the word &quot;strike&quot; is used in hundreds of places and appears in virtually every SRD document, and most certainly is not a specialized term - it is used pretty much interchangeably with &quot;attack&quot;.For example:The use of the word &quot;strike&quot; here is quite similar to how it is used in the monk's Flurry of Blows description, but I assume you'd allow someone with a Spiked Chain to attempt to Disarm or Sunder with it, right?If you read the rules on each of those items I listed, they each use up an &quot;attack,&quot; even if they don't use an attack roll per se. (Sunder aside, let's not get into that discussion here please, that would be distracting form the main point).So I ask again, how is an attack during a Flurry of Blows different form any other attack, aside form the restriction on which weapon may be used?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Artoomis, post: 1402859, member: 111"] [list]My goodness that a rather technical view of the difference between a "strike" and an "attack." I don't think that difference is really supported by the rules, but at least I understand where you are coming from.[/list]"Starting a grapple require a successful melee attack roll." Hard to imagine how a successful attack roll with a Flurry is not a "successful attack roll." Okay, but other than limited the weapons used, how is it different from simply getting more attacks? I don't think the monk description really supports a difference. First, there is no different between "strike" and "attack." Strike is an undefined term in D&D, so that we must assume that it is meant in a non-technical sense. As evidence, I present the fact that the words "strike" and "attacks" are used nearly alternately - a common technique in writing to avoid too much word repetition. I think that's all that's going on here with the word "strike." As further evidence of that, the word "strike" is used in hundreds of places and appears in virtually every SRD document, and most certainly is not a specialized term - it is used pretty much interchangeably with "attack". For example: The use of the word "strike" here is quite similar to how it is used in the monk's Flurry of Blows description, but I assume you'd allow someone with a Spiked Chain to attempt to Disarm or Sunder with it, right? If you read the rules on each of those items I listed, they each use up an "attack," even if they don't use an attack roll per se. (Sunder aside, let's not get into that discussion here please, that would be distracting form the main point). So I ask again, how is an attack during a Flurry of Blows different form any other attack, aside form the restriction on which weapon may be used? [/QUOTE]

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